Why aren't locomotives made aerodynamic?

[Anonymous]

EMD had such a commanding market share in the '50s that it's astonishing anyone would want to go head to head with it. GE did, because it saw real vulnerability at EMD, where factory mentality had sent innovators to the retirement home. Railroads wanted more hp per unit; when they started buying GEs 2500 hp locomotive in quantity, this time it was EMD that got it. They rushed the 35 series into production to do battle with GE. The innocent bystander was Alco, squashed underfoot as the giants wrestled for world domination. Total built: 476. Wheelihan says, "Thus started the high horsepower race with a customer driven design backed by GE's first rate engineering and marketing team." - Trains Magazine - October 2002

[railman]

I see the forums are back at war again...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

Quotation is an even better form of flattery than imitation, but unless you use quote marks and provide a citation, it could be mistaken for plagarism.

By the way, it's "innovators," not "investors." See page 39 column 3 Trains October 2002.

I never said I wrote it M.W., nor did I say I was taking credit for it, so please step off that accusation. But now that you have seen the article, look at the photos and look at the evolution of designs over the years.

[Anonymous]

I changed it. Are we happy now? By the way, I remember sending you a story about "Track Gauge" and how it came to be. Though you refuted some or all of the said facts, this is irrelevant. I did send it but I forgot to include the author's name. I won't take credit for that either. That's just the way things are.

Yeah, like I'm going to get brazen with some Train's Magazine article and say I wrote it. That's ludicrous! The way I see it, when anything at all gets posted on this site, it becomes property of this site, unless is is already protected under copyright. So ease up a bit if you see your work pop up from time to time. It's still your material. If someone else ever types outright, "I wrote this ..." or attempts to insert their name as author, it is then time to attack and defend.

By the way, I won't be posting any more material from Trains Magazine to here. It's just not worth much to me.

[M636C]

On the subject of EMD U25s, there were at least three, weren't there?

MK rebuilt a few U25s with EMD 567 engines and a very early wide nose cab, and numbered them in a series from 5301, If I recall correctly!

There wasn't much original left above the frame - it just goes to show that nearly everything has been done!

To get on topic, they were as aerodynamic as an SD70M-2.

Peter

[M636C]

Mark,

Thanks, I recall the OC&E units now!

I just thought the thread needed some reality injected into the rhetoric!

Peter

[Anonymous]

Forget it! Let's just 4 get it! This is an issue gaining neither of us anything. I didn't come to trains.com to learn about copyright law, nor did I sign up to pick fights. If I wanted this, I would have signed up at Yahoo. M.W. I want to learn what you, the staff, and the members here have to give. That's why I'm here! Let's be civil about this.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chessking

Forget it! Let's just 4 get it! This is an issue gaining neither of us anything. I didn't come to trains.com to learn about copyright law, nor did I sign up to pick fights. If I wanted this, I would have signed up at Yahoo. M.W. I want to learn what you, the staff, and the members here have to give. That's why I'm here! Let's be civil about this.

Oh, REALLY! I thought you were here to tell all of us that we know nothing about railroads and you know everything...

That is what I have learned from all these posts from your various personalities. Hope you have a good shrink...

LC

[Anonymous]

Don't need a shrink LC. I can understand you still getting hissy with me. It's going to take awhile for your anger to wear off. You're not the only one M.W. is probably not liking me much either, to be honest, I look up to him. He's a good man and now I have to re-earn his trust.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chessking

Don't need a shrink LC. I can understand you still getting hissy with me. It's going to take awhile for your anger to wear off. You're not the only one M.W. is probably not liking me much either, to be honest, I look up to him. He's a good man and now I have to re-earn his trust.

ROTFLMAO

Well hoss, 'bout the only way your gonna do that is to leave the long sword on the rack, take the short sword down, wrap the blade in rice paper, grab it with both hands, place the tip just below the rib cage and pull towards ya...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chessking
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I DO possess a fair amount of railroad knowledge .

Really? How many issues of Trains magazine does that make then?

[edblysard]

Oh man, checkerhead...
Your gonna need several beach towels to wipe all that crap off your nose....

Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by chessking

Don't need a shrink LC. I can understand you still getting hissy with me. It's going to take awhile for your anger to wear off. You're not the only one M.W. is probably not liking me much either, to be honest, I look up to him. He's a good man and now I have to re-earn his trust.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chessking

While you're at it stop by the DINA and get a cup of coffee. And dharmon .. No, a centerbeam is not a new brand of bourbon. And No, an autorack is not your daddy's pickup with deer antlers fastened to the hood. And a grade crossing has nothing to do with you taking 3 years of kindergarden before crossing over to the first grade. And by no means are you correct when you thought tractive effort had something to do with excremental fortitude.

This is one of the best use of words I have seen on the forums for a long time. =)

[railman]

QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar

QUOTE: Originally posted by chessking

While you're at it stop by the DINA and get a cup of coffee. And dharmon .. No, a centerbeam is not a new brand of bourbon. And No, an autorack is not your daddy's pickup with deer antlers fastened to the hood. And a grade crossing has nothing to do with you taking 3 years of kindergarden before crossing over to the first grade. And by no means are you correct when you thought tractive effort had something to do with excremental fortitude.

This is one of the best use of words I have seen on the forums for a long time. =)

I remember the shakespeare lines that were getting mutilated not too long ago...this is definetely better.

[arbfbe]

Didn't one of the MK repowered U25Bs end up as the plant switcher near Page, AZ on the BM&LP? It might still be hanging around there.

[Mookie]

I was busy yesterday and didn't get to read the forum as well as I should have! Wow - you guys celebrated the 4th of July, not Halloween....

Guess someone finally ran out of fireworks, cuz it is a lot calmer today! Day late and dollar short....

Mook

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

I was busy yesterday and didn't get to read the forum as well as I should have! Wow - you guys celebrated the 4th of July, not Halloween....

Guess someone finally ran out of fireworks, cuz it is a lot calmer today! Day late and dollar short....

Mook

Well, Mook...Halloween brings all sorts out..

[M636C]

While on a Halloween Diversion,

For some reason, Halloween was never a celebration in Australia, but on Sunday, this group of people about 24" tall arrived at my front door and said somewhat haltingly "Trick or Treat". Sadly, 31 October is also Income Tax submission day in Australia (moved to Monday for this year, of course), so I had all my tax papers everywhere, but managed to find a packet of nuts for these brightly coloured short people! This is the first time ever for Trick or Treat, and I'm fift... well fairly old!

Peter

[mloik]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

While on a Halloween Diversion,

For some reason, Halloween was never a celebration in Australia, but on Sunday, this group of people about 24" tall arrived at my front door and said somewhat haltingly "Trick or Treat". Sadly, 31 October is also Income Tax submission day in Australia (moved to Monday for this year, of course), so I had all my tax papers everywhere, but managed to find a packet of nuts for these brightly coloured short people! This is the first time ever for Trick or Treat, and I'm fift... well fairly old!

Peter

Peter,

My wife and I spent five wonderful weeks down your way in 2001. Part of our time was spent in Perth (before taking the Indian Pacific to Adelaide), and on Oct. 31 I saw quite a few people dressed in Halloween costumes in the oceanside bar / restaurant district. When I inquired, I was told that Haloween is increasingly celebrated there.

Does Australia celebrate Guy Fawkes Day?

Regards ("G'Day"),
Michael

[M636C]

Michael,

Even when I was a child, there were some fireworks on Guy Fawkes night, but these tended to be individual fireworks by families. This is becoming increasingly less common on all celebrations, through safety concerns, and Fireworks tend to be concentrated on Australia Day, Jan 26, The Queen's Birthday (actually Q Victoria's Birthday, I think) in June, and on New Year's Eve, and these are generally professional displays, with little participation.

I have no problem in recalling "Please to Remember the 5th of November, Gunpowder Treason and Plot", if that proves anything.

Halloween has become more popular, but Sunday was my first actual time to provide a "treat", and I wasn't expecting it!

Peter

[Anonymous]

because the railroad gods made it that way, we have to accept that... O_o