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Baltimore landslide tumbles cars, roadway onto railroad tracks

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Baltimore landslide tumbles cars, roadway onto railroad tracks
Posted by Phoebe Vet on Thursday, May 1, 2014 8:01 AM

Block-long Baltimore landslide tumbles cars, roadway onto railroad tracks below 

Heavy rain loosened dirt and collapsed a retaining wall Wednesday above CSX freight tracks, dumping soil, a dozen cars, a wrought-iron fence, roadway and the sidewalks onto the railway.


 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/block-long-baltimore-landslide-tumbles-cars-roadway-railroad-tracks-article-1.1774725#ixzz30T6PgAOB

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Posted by rluke on Saturday, May 3, 2014 3:36 PM
It said on the news that since this was an 'act of God', the automobile losses were not covered by insurance. -ouch
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Posted by schlimm on Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:40 AM

From what I have read, the problem is the retaining wall, which collapsed from water pressure because of poor drainage.  Was the wall CSX's responsibility?   Residents had complained about it prior to the collapse.  

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Posted by Euclid on Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:50 AM

What were the complaints prior to the collapse?

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Posted by schlimm on Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:03 AM

Cracks in the street running parallel to the wall, primarily.  The city merely patched those cracks.  Since the retaining wall is about 120 years old, seems likely it was there long before the paved road.

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Posted by Euclid on Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:41 AM

Those cracks would be an obvious indication that the wall was failing.  I would expect that the cracks were accompanied by corresponding bulge in the wall.  Regardless of who owned the wall, it sounds like the city failed to protect the public safety if they had any responsibility for that role.    

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Posted by NorthWest on Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:33 PM

Comments on the articles I have read state that the fact that the wall was failing was common knowledge, and the city and CSX were fighting over who had to pay to fix it (perhaps for a couple of years). It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:44 PM

NorthWest

Comments on the articles I have read state that the fact that the wall was failing was common knowledge, and the city and CSX were fighting over who had to pay to fix it (perhaps for a couple of years). It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

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Posted by greyhounds on Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:59 PM

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It said on the news that since this was an 'act of God', the automobile losses were not covered by insurance. -ouch

Well no.  IF the auto owner was carrying comprehensive coverage (not required) his/her automobile would be covered for damage by an "Act of God".  i.e., if the wind brings down a tree limb on the auto the damage is covered by insurance.

Now, depending on the policy, there may be an exclusion for "Movement of the Earth".  But just the fact that  it was an "Act of God' won't invalidate the insurance.  If your insured house gets damaged or destroyed by wind you have a valid insurance claim.  If it gets damaged or destroyed by an earthquake you generally don't.

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Posted by henry6 on Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:29 PM

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:51 PM

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, May 4, 2014 4:14 PM

NorthWest

Comments on the articles I have read state that the fact that the wall was failing was common knowledge, and the city and CSX were fighting over who had to pay to fix it (perhaps for a couple of years). It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

 
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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:10 PM

If the city and CSX were fighting about who should fix the failing retaining wall, then it sounds more like the inaction of men, rather than an act of God.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, May 5, 2014 11:15 AM

This incident raises many questions that Balt may be can answer.

1.  At first though this was Howard St tunnel due to similar rock work. What is it ?

2.  Who built the original track ?.

3.  Retaining wall built at same time or later and by who ?

4.  Was the track to tunnel entrance ever undercut or lowered to increase clearances after wall built ?  If so was sheet piling installed along wall ?

5.  Had any wall anchors been installed / added to hold wall in place ?

6.  Were houses across from track when track built ?

7.  Was wall part of street installation ?

8.  Was there drainage installed behind wall ?  If so were they clogged ?

9.  What type of piping for sanitary and storm water flowing under street ? How often inspected for leaks ? 

10.  Condition of and type of water lines ? 

11.  How much was the actual reported wall bulge ?

Other questions ?

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, May 5, 2014 12:00 PM

blue streak 1

This incident raises many questions that Balt may be can answer.

1.  At first though this was Howard St tunnel due to similar rock work. What is it ?

2.  Who built the original track ?.

3.  Retaining wall built at same time or later and by who ?

4.  Was the track to tunnel entrance ever undercut or lowered to increase clearances after wall built ?  If so was sheet piling installed along wall ?

5.  Had any wall anchors been installed / added to hold wall in place ?

6.  Were houses across from track when track built ?

7.  Was wall part of street installation ?

8.  Was there drainage installed behind wall ?  If so were they clogged ?

9.  What type of piping for sanitary and storm water flowing under street ? How often inspected for leaks ? 

10.  Condition of and type of water lines ? 

11.  How much was the actual reported wall bulge ?

Other questions ?

The incident occurred on what is termed the Baltimore Belt Line and is about 5000 feet North (TT East) of the North (TT East) end of the Howard Street tunnel.  The Belt Line has a series of street underpass tunnels - these tunnels are between 100 and 300 feet long.  The Belt Line is in a cut for most of it's distance of 3.8 miles from CP Huntingdon Avenue (which got destroyed by the slide) and CP Clifton Park.

The original construction was done under the auspices of the Baltimore Belt Railway Company, an identity created for the construction of the line by the B&O from Camden Station to Bay View yard where it joined the Main that was used in car ferry days for trains destined Philadelphia.  Construction dates from the early 1890's and at that time the area was considered rural.

The line has been modified several times for improved clearances and was single tracked between Camden Station and Clifton Park in the early 1960's as in the days of passenger service between Baltimore & Philadelphia the line was double track.

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