I understand the point about money talks, but victimhood leads to empowerment and people living in small towns are going to wield a lot of clout due their underdog status in this game. This re-routing might have been an idea with some merit, but the last thing on earth they should have ever done is tell the public about it. Now, every oil train everywhere will be perceived as a menace somebody else is being protected from. I don’t think they thought this through.
Euclid I understand the point about money talks, but victimhood leads to empowerment and people living in small towns are going to wield a lot of clout due their underdog status in this game. This re-routing might have been an idea with some merit, but the last thing on earth they should have ever done is tell the public about it. Now, every oil train everywhere will be perceived as a menace somebody else is being protected from. I don’t think they thought this through.
Maybe only run them at night? And during the day, they can hide the train under a big pile of hay?
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Either that or just hang sheets on it.
Accidental double post. And it' not about you, murphy, although you think so.
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Oh. Now you are playing your ace, right? Everybody's a victim of the big bad corporations. Yeah; sure!
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schlimm Accidental double post. And it' not about you, murphy, although you think so.
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Norm48327EuclidI understand the point about money talks, but victimhood leads to empowerment and people living in small towns are going to wield a lot of clout due their underdog status in this game. This re-routing might have been an idea with some merit, but the last thing on earth they should have ever done is tell the public about it. Now, every oil train everywhere will be perceived as a menace somebody else is being protected from. I don’t think they thought this through. Oh. Now you are playing your ace, right? Everybody's a victim of the big bad corporations. Yeah; sure!
EuclidI understand the point about money talks, but victimhood leads to empowerment and people living in small towns are going to wield a lot of clout due their underdog status in this game. This re-routing might have been an idea with some merit, but the last thing on earth they should have ever done is tell the public about it. Now, every oil train everywhere will be perceived as a menace somebody else is being protected from. I don’t think they thought this through.
Norm,
Hold your horses. It's not my ace and I am not playing it. I am just pointing out that it will be played. This re-routing proposal is a golden opportunity for victimhood to be exploited by and green agenda. They will start as soon as people realize that there will be people wherever oil trains go. Nobody living in a less densely populated area is going to accept a higher risk from people living in more densely populated areas.
This redistibution of risk will go over like robbing from the poor and giving to the rich.
EuclidThis re-routing proposal is a golden opportunity for victimhood to be exploited by and green agenda. They will start as soon as people realize that there will be people wherever oil trains go. Nobody living in a less densely populated area is going to accept a higher risk from people living in more densely populated areas.
That's just your anti-green meme.
schlimm And some of the areas the BNSF traverses are not so rich: parts of Aurora, Westmont, Berwyn, to name a few. You really do not know what you are talking about. Your greed-driven fear that the rails might make a little less money is comical. Meanwhile the CEO's, who actually can see the big picture, are looking with caution at the Bakken problem because they recognize that they are potentially one disaster from bankruptcy. Fortunately, they are the ones making decisions.
And some of the areas the BNSF traverses are not so rich: parts of Aurora, Westmont, Berwyn, to name a few. You really do not know what you are talking about. Your greed-driven fear that the rails might make a little less money is comical. Meanwhile the CEO's, who actually can see the big picture, are looking with caution at the Bakken problem because they recognize that they are potentially one disaster from bankruptcy. Fortunately, they are the ones making decisions.
The oil trains would still traverse "not so rich Aurora," as the EJE runs along the eastern part of it. They would also be routed through other "not so rich" areas like Joliet, Griffith, Ford Heights, Chicago Heights and Crest Hill. Frankly I could not care less if the BNSF makes a little bit less money, and no where I have I said that I would care about that. Your accusation is comical.
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There is also the problem of running an oil train on a triple-tracked line packed with other freight and many commuter trains + Amtrak. When a derailment occurs there, the disaster would be magnified. Sorry if you don't understand simple geography and probability statistics. But the BNSF CEO Rose does. If you want to pretend this is about some discrimination against non-wealthy areas, cannot help you.
schlimm There is also the problem of running an oil train on a triple-tracked line packed with other freight and many commuter trains + Amtrak.
There is also the problem of running an oil train on a triple-tracked line packed with other freight and many commuter trains + Amtrak.
News flash, ANY train that derails in commuter territory will be an issue. Please stop making this stuff up as you go. I am sorry you fail to understand basic railroading 101. Do yourself a favor, go get a job with the railroad, THEN tell us how to do things.
It will be interesting, assuming the rails are sincere, to see them come up with routes that meet all or even most of the specs. Most of our remaining routes go thru important cities -- which is why we still have them. Most are also more or less busy, another reason we still have them.
If the lesser routes are favored, does the money strictly follow the cars, or is there a cut for the line that is asked to short-haul itself? I can foresee a conflict over this that would quickly fracture the unified industry line advanced by Ed Hamberger.
New York Governor Cuomo has annonced his position:
http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/01292014-crude-oil-rail-safety
dakotafred It will be interesting, assuming the rails are sincere, to see them come up with routes that meet all or even most of the specs. Most of our remaining routes go thru important cities -- which is why we still have them. Most are also more or less busy, another reason we still have them. If the lesser routes are favored, does the money strictly follow the cars, or is there a cut for the line that is asked to short-haul itself? I can foresee a conflict over this that would quickly fracture the unified industry line advanced by Ed Hamberger.
Fred: How might that play out, do you suppose? Some revenue sharing arrangement different from current practices? It seems likely something along those lines will occur.
schlimm dakotafred It will be interesting, assuming the rails are sincere, to see them come up with routes that meet all or even most of the specs. Most of our remaining routes go thru important cities -- which is why we still have them. Most are also more or less busy, another reason we still have them. If the lesser routes are favored, does the money strictly follow the cars, or is there a cut for the line that is asked to short-haul itself? I can foresee a conflict over this that would quickly fracture the unified industry line advanced by Ed Hamberger. Fred: How might that play out, do you suppose? Some revenue sharing arrangement different from current practices? It seems likely something along those lines will occur.
Greyhounds or somebody else with experience in rate making will have to jump in here.
dakotafred schlimm dakotafred It will be interesting, assuming the rails are sincere, to see them come up with routes that meet all or even most of the specs. Most of our remaining routes go thru important cities -- which is why we still have them. Most are also more or less busy, another reason we still have them. If the lesser routes are favored, does the money strictly follow the cars, or is there a cut for the line that is asked to short-haul itself? I can foresee a conflict over this that would quickly fracture the unified industry line advanced by Ed Hamberger. Fred: How might that play out, do you suppose? Some revenue sharing arrangement different from current practices? It seems likely something along those lines will occur. Greyhounds or somebody else with experience in rate making will have to jump in here.
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Pardon me, and maybe this is politics and will be removed: But I see Obamacare as exactly the kind of thinking indicated in your garage story. In some parts of the world the police would enforce just such a policy! And it is fortunate that there is freedom where that is not the case in the USA or Canada.
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Maybe this will take a back-seat to the gas transmission issue now that pipelines are self destructing again.
http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/kentucky-natural-gas-pipeline-explosion-20140213
Regardless, I'm sure they have experts in city hall with real railroad experience
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Yet you bring to the fore a topic that had been inactive for over 2 weeks. Your point?
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