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<p>[quote user="Convicted One"]</p> <p> <blockquote> <div><img src="/TRCCS/Themes/trc/images/icon-quote.gif" /> <strong>Bucyrus:</strong></div> <div></div> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p><span style="font-size:12pt;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;"><span style="font-family:verdana,geneva;">My point in making the comment about this thread not resolving the blame is this:<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>The failure to come to a consensus about the blame means that there is lack of consensus on the rules.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>To me, this illustrates a major part of the problem of grade crossing crashes.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span></span></span></p> <div style="clear:both;"></div> <p> </p> </blockquote> </p> <p> </p> <p>I enjoy sharing thoughts with you, so I don't want the following to be construed as "combative", or negative against you personally,... in any way</p> <p>But if you are looking for consensus, I think that the internet is the WRONG place to be looking. Too many different points of view, too many different motives, PLUS you have the egos of people who's primary motive is to prove to the rest of the world that they know something significant. The web is a better place (IMO) to find people who disagree with you,and try to understand why they feel the way they do. The fishing is a lot better, I assure you. <img src="/TRCCS/emoticons/emotion-21.gif" alt="Yes" /></p> <div style="clear:both;"></div> <p>[/quote]</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">I understand what you are saying about not finding consensus on the Internet.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I don’t expect to solve anything here.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But the confusion over conflicting rules that surround grade crossings is not just confined to the Internet.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It also exists within state law, law enforcement, and within groups such as Operation Lifesaver and the FRA.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">Here is that thread I mentioned earlier about the crash that killed Katie Lunn in Chicago last April:</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><a href="/TRCCS/forums/t/172751.aspx?PageIndex=1"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/t/172751.aspx?PageIndex=1</span></span></a></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">You can see that the Illinois law describes the yield requirement of the crossbuck for non-signalized crossings, but also includes language that appears to exclude signalized crossings from the crossbuck meaning being yield.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Falcon48 contended that the crossbuck at signalized crossings does not mean yield, and therefore, if the signals failed to activate, it would be the fault of the railroad company if a vehicle were struck.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">However, elsewhere in the Illinois law it says that when approaching a railroad crossing a person must exercise due care and caution because the existence of a railroad across a highway is a warning of danger.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">While that is not referred to as a requirement to “yield,” it seems to be equivalent to such a requirement.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So which way is it?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It may be a matter of legalese, but somewhere in the grand scheme of things, a driver must be informed of the rules if he or she is expected to follow them</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">Also in that thread, I asked the FRA what the crossbuck means and they told me that it means yield with both active and passive crossings.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Operation Lifesaver told me the same thing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <p> </p>
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