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what is a timetable
Posted by wisandsouthernkid on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:28 PM
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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:54 PM

1.  A compendium of scheduled trains and ancillary information - a current iteration would be an Amtrak timetable.

2.  A collection of information about the railroad, intended solely for the use of the railroad's employees.  It may include information about special situations and conditions (permanent slow orders, crossings) and such things as control points, contact information, as well as what rulebook is in effect.  Inasmuch as most freight railroads don't run according to a set schedule, the one thing you won't find in such a timetable is a table with times...

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:32 PM
The last time I looked, WSOR was still selling back-copies of their timetables on their web site.  I bought one several years ago - very interesting.
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Posted by SFbrkmn on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:01 PM
My own personal term for a employee timetable is a road map because all the information needed to get a train from A to B is listed in there--distance of a entire sub division, distance between stations, location & length of sidings, method of operation, speed restrictions, grades and contact numbers. In my grip, its not my employee timetable but my division road map that I carry w/me.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:37 PM

In the good old days, a passenger station would have a rack full of various railroad's Public Timetables,  I would often 'liberate' one to peruse in my off hours, easier to drag around than a copy of the Official Guide.

But as mentioned above, Employee Timetables were a whole 'nother story.  Lots of interesting info in them.  In the late 40's and 50's, there seemed to be a feeling that the public should not be privy to them.  Wonder why?  They sure were more interesting to peruse than the public ones.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:04 PM

Other than (possibly) its intended audience, what is the difference between a timetable and a printed schedule?  - al

 

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Posted by J. Edgar on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:55 PM
a timetable is ...a table of times
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Posted by J. Edgar on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:56 PM
 al-in-chgo wrote:

Other than (possibly) its intended audience, what is the difference between a timetable and a printed schedule?  - al

 

 see larry's post....pretty much sums it up

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Posted by wabash1 on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:00 PM
 al-in-chgo wrote:

Other than (possibly) its intended audience, what is the difference between a timetable and a printed schedule?  - al

 

the employee timetable has locomotive information , speed limits flagging instructions and distances, special instructions for railroad crossings ( interlockings) car restrictions trailing tonnage restrictions , sidings locations footage . procedures for other railroads i cross, set outs and pick ups paper work locations methods of operations , indications of  base radios micro phones , yard limits locations where wye are , waiting limits on switches .( abs)   other things the public is not to know. or needs to know. also included in times table is signals used on territory and there meaning. from what a stop signal will look like to what a restricting will look like to a clear. and all the meanings.

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Posted by al-in-chgo on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:32 PM
 J. Edgar wrote:
 al-in-chgo wrote:

Other than (possibly) its intended audience, what is the difference between a timetable and a printed schedule?  - al

 

 see larry's post....pretty much sums it up

  Took a mo' to puzzle that out but yes, you are right!  Thanks to you and Larry.  -a.s.
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Posted by Railway Man on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:52 PM

There are two methods of separating trains on the same track so they do not collide: time, or distance.  Distance is almost in universal use today: trains are authorized to occupy discrete sections of the main track, or separated by blocks (signaled or manual).  Even when trains are joint authorized to occupy the same block, they operate at restricted speed -- able to stop in 1/2 the limit of vision -- which is a distance separation). 

In the timetable-and-train-order era, trains were separated by time.  Trains had a definite time before which they could not depart a station.  An inferior train running in the opposite direction on the same track could look at the timetable, see when the opposing train was scheduled to leave a station, and if they could arrive at that station before the opposing train gained rights by schedule, then they could "run against" its time.  The times published in the timetable granted authority to occupy the main track to those trains at those times.

In order to publish the times of trains to all train crews, operators, maintainers, and others who would occupy the main track, a timetable was issued.  

Today timetables no longer contain times that convey authority to trains, but all the other information that was included along with the times still needs to be conveyed uniformly to everyone, so the timetable is still issued.  A railroad if it wanted could call it something else, but changing names on a document so deeply embedded in railroad law, regulation, safety, practice, and culture, just so it sounds better, would be an expensive and useless project.

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Posted by J. Edgar on Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:05 AM
 al-in-chgo wrote:
 J. Edgar wrote:
 al-in-chgo wrote:

Other than (possibly) its intended audience, what is the difference between a timetable and a printed schedule?  - al

 

 see larry's post....pretty much sums it up

  Took a mo' to puzzle that out but yes, you are right!  Thanks to you and Larry.  -a.s.
lol just to confuddle you even more....my name is larry also....
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Posted by UPRR engineer on Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:29 AM

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:09 PM
Railway Man - Nice expansion on the rationale. 

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:24 PM
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 wisandsouthernkid wrote:
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I'll give ya one for $10.00

isnt giveing if there is a price tag...lol

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Posted by UPRR engineer on Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:35 PM

HUH?? Couldn't hardly make out what you were saying.

He wouldn't be paying for the timetable, thats how much i'd charge him for the 15 minutes of my time to run to the post office.

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:40 PM
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HUH?? Couldn't hardly make out what you were saying.

He wouldn't be paying for the timetable, thats how much i'd charge him for the 15 minutes of my time to run to the post office.

oh ok..the beer is free as long as you buy a 10 dollor hotdog gig..got ya..lol

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