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Posted by jeaton on Sunday, December 9, 2007 12:30 AM

 raymondtylicki wrote:
  The barge traffic can carry more as 20-40 railroad cars equal one barge and the weight is reduced because there is less ancellory equipment to haul around

A little off on the barge capacity there.  Standard barge carries a thousand tons of coal.  The fleet of rail cars for coal is moving from an old standard of 100 net tons to 115 tons.  Do the math.

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Posted by Railway Man on Sunday, December 9, 2007 12:55 AM
 jeaton wrote:

 raymondtylicki wrote:
  The barge traffic can carry more as 20-40 railroad cars equal one barge and the weight is reduced because there is less ancellory equipment to haul around

A little off on the barge capacity there.  Standard barge carries a thousand tons of coal.  The fleet of rail cars for coal is moving from an old standard of 100 net tons to 115 tons.  Do the math.

Actually 122 tons in a 286K aluminum gon or 118 tons in a 286K rapid-discharge hopper, such as manufactured by FreightCar America or Trinity.

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Posted by jeaton on Sunday, December 9, 2007 7:47 AM
 Railway Man wrote:
 jeaton wrote:

 raymondtylicki wrote:
  The barge traffic can carry more as 20-40 railroad cars equal one barge and the weight is reduced because there is less ancellory equipment to haul around

A little off on the barge capacity there.  Standard barge carries a thousand tons of coal.  The fleet of rail cars for coal is moving from an old standard of 100 net tons to 115 tons.  Do the math.

Actually 122 tons in a 286K aluminum gon or 118 tons in a 286K rapid-discharge hopper, such as manufactured by FreightCar America or Trinity.

RWM 

Changes come so fast these days...  Next thing you know there will be remote controled locomotives.

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Sunday, December 9, 2007 11:30 PM

The date of the building of the original BN TroughTrain has to be between 1990-1993 because one of these cars was in Gillette, Wyoming in 1993.

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Posted by spokyone on Monday, December 10, 2007 8:32 AM
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(Gee, how old does one have to be to remember Mad Magazine?)

Alfred who?
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Posted by Wyonate on Monday, December 10, 2007 8:38 AM
I lived in Gillette for years and seen it come through all the time until about 1999.  But didn't see it for a few years.  I have recently got into Trainz, (simulator).  I am hoping to get some drawing a possibly rebuilding the Trough Train.  But I need some drawings.
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Posted by Wyonate on Monday, December 10, 2007 8:46 AM
 jeaton wrote:
 Railway Man wrote:
 jeaton wrote:

 raymondtylicki wrote:
  The barge traffic can carry more as 20-40 railroad cars equal one barge and the weight is reduced because there is less ancellory equipment to haul around

A little off on the barge capacity there.  Standard barge carries a thousand tons of coal.  The fleet of rail cars for coal is moving from an old standard of 100 net tons to 115 tons.  Do the math.

Actually 122 tons in a 286K aluminum gon or 118 tons in a 286K rapid-discharge hopper, such as manufactured by FreightCar America or Trinity.

RWM 

Changes come so fast these days...  Next thing you know there will be remote controled locomotives.

My family and I went to northern Montana for Thanksgiving and for the first time, other than a DP unit, I seen, what I figured, a remote controled locomotive.  It was in Anaconda, Montana.  An unmaned GP9M (MRL) shoving on string of about 30 gondolas.  Interesting, but I also thought about another job taken by technology.  (That sucks)

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 10, 2007 10:12 AM
 spokyone wrote:
 CShaveRR wrote:

(Gee, how old does one have to be to remember Mad Magazine?)

Alfred who?

Hey, where'd you get that picture of our governor?

(Oops, politics--wash out my mouth with soap!)

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Monday, December 10, 2007 11:20 AM
 CShaveRR wrote:
 spokyone wrote:
 CShaveRR wrote:

(Gee, how old does one have to be to remember Mad Magazine?)

Alfred who?

Hey, where'd you get that picture of our governor?

(Oops, politics--wash out my mouth with soap!)

What, Me worry?

On the note of the trough train/larger linked cars, why does this concept still work with the COFC cars?  I see trains made of lots of these cars. 

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Monday, December 10, 2007 12:35 PM

 Wyonate wrote:
I lived in Gillette for years and seen it come through all the time until about 1999.  But didn't see it for a few years.  I have recently got into Trainz, (simulator).  I am hoping to get some drawing a possibly rebuilding the Trough Train.  But I need some drawings.

 

Each car had single axels at the ends, and 12 two axel trucks in between.
26 axels total per car.

This photo says deliverly took place during December 1994.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=977754

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 10, 2007 2:50 PM
Dan, the most you'll see in current operation are five-unit articulated cars.  I'm not sure whether the old Santa Fe 10-packs have been scrapped, but I'm pretty sure they're no longer running.  It's also possible, if an intermodal car is bad-ordered, the boxes can be loaded to another one, or simply unloaded and reloaded if that makes it easier to fix.  Try doing either of those with a monster coal car!

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Posted by csmith9474 on Monday, December 10, 2007 3:28 PM
I don't know if this well help or not, but here you go... http://www.nisa.org/Troughca.jpg
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Posted by CNW 6000 on Monday, December 10, 2007 5:36 PM

 CShaveRR wrote:
Dan, the most you'll see in current operation are five-unit articulated cars.  I'm not sure whether the old Santa Fe 10-packs have been scrapped, but I'm pretty sure they're no longer running.  It's also possible, if an intermodal car is bad-ordered, the boxes can be loaded to another one, or simply unloaded and reloaded if that makes it easier to fix.  Try doing either of those with a monster coal car!

Great points Carl.  Thanks!

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Posted by Wyonate on Monday, December 17, 2007 9:32 AM
YES!! Thank you for the drawing!!!! That is what I am looking for!!! Thank you!!!  If there any more drawings out there I would like to look.  Thanks to everyone who has posted!! You guys are awesome!!
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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, December 17, 2007 4:26 PM
 raymondtylicki wrote:
  another good idea that died in railroad buracracy....
Good ideas that actually work continue to exist until a better idea that actually works replaces it in the rail industry.  Ideas that don't actually work are not good ideas.

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Posted by Railway Man on Monday, December 17, 2007 4:40 PM

 BaltACD wrote:
Good ideas that actually work continue to exist until a better idea that actually works replaces it in the rail industry.  Ideas that don't actually work are not good ideas.

What you said.

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Posted by Wyonate on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:27 PM
 Railway Man wrote:

 BaltACD wrote:
Good ideas that actually work continue to exist until a better idea that actually works replaces it in the rail industry.  Ideas that don't actually work are not good ideas.

What you said.

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I think that goes with about any industry

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Posted by myred02 on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:50 PM
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Copcarss:

How old must one be to remember Burma-shave signs along the road???????

West Virginia still has a few of them alongside some major highways that I saw on my last trip up to Charleston. As far as I know, these signs were not made by Burma-shave, but they expressed their message in the same manner (one sign after another).

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