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[quote user="penncentral2002"] And the reference to A.M. radio talk shows is based on the fact that you don't seem to let facts get in the way of your opinion - you cite things that disprove your point, but that doesn't bother you, you get worked up about minor things so much that you miss the big picture, and you ask questions that have already been asked and answered - if that doesn't sound like a talk radio host, I don't know what does.[/quote]There is no correlation between your definition of "A.M. radio talk shows" (what ever that is supposed to be - are you suggesting NPR is not as advertised, or what?) and what we are doing here, which is debating points of contention without the personal insults.Just for the record (and for my own personal amusement), cite for me the points I made that were "disproved".Did you disprove the contention that the EIS makes up the largest cost factor for maintenance dredging, and that the physical act of dredging itself is rather simple and low cost in and of itself?  Keep in mind that I readily admit that I can't prove it from the information sources availed to me, so will you also admit that you cannot also disprove it as such?Did you disprove the contention that the AAR's Mr. White made a statement that implies a subsidy disparity between rail and barge modes?Did you disprove that river travel is natural, or did you only suggest that modern day barging is not 100% natural?  Of course, I never said that barging is 100% natural, only that the concept of river travel is 100% natural.[quote]Every transportation system since the begining of time has been subsidized by the government.  [/quote]Isn't that the point I made that you so sophomorically refered to as "A.M. radio talk show" stuff? BTW - Was Dan Rather of CBS an AM talk radio guy?  You know, the guy who forged documents about our President, and defends that action to this day?  You know, the network that doens't allow daily rebuttals of it's POV?  Ditto for ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC........Is Michael Moore an AM talk radio guy?  You know, the Canadian film maker who made a *documentary* about 9/11 chock full of outright lies, misstatements, and minced words?  Is Brian Ross of ABC an AM talk radio guy?  You know, the guy who made false statements about the Mark Foley case to affect the 2006 election, then amended his statements after the election?  Is James Hansen of NASA an AM talk radio guy?  You know, the guy who has falsified data concerning so-called climate change to affect public policy debate, then when the NAS chastized him on it, he claimed he was being "censored" by the Bush Administration?  How about Bill Moyers of PBS, is he an AM talk radio guy?  He is so blindly partisan even network TV won't let him host his own news show............................................................Back to Square #1My point is that barging by and large does pay more than it's fair share via user fees in the regular course of things sans environmental red tape.  Whether that can be said for specific sections of specific waterways is debatable - on the Columbia/Snake River system a tremendous amount of hydropower is produced by those dams, which if sold at market prices produces a profit over and above the cost of building and maintaining those dams, including the navigation system.  On the lower Mississippi nothing more than regular channel maintenance is required for navigation, with some one time changes to the channel necessary for modern day barging.  On the upper Mississippi (a navigation channel still in it's infancy relatively speaking) it is probaby a different story, one that includes some lost opportunities for revenue via low head hydropower potential that is currently undeveloped.And as much as it makes you uncomfortable, for credibility's sake a comparison of railroads to barges is apt in terms of relative government aid.  Since you admit that all modes receive subsidy of some kind or another, would you mind contacting the AAR to remind them of that fact?  Thanks.
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