[Unable to combine posts from duplicate threads so this is a copy & paste of Hornblower's post from the thread that was deleted...]
John
Welcome to the forum! As my layout is built for operation with multiple operators of differing skill levels handling my trains, Athearn Blue Box locos are my "go to" choice, especially when I can pick them up used so cheaply at train shows and on-line. As your other thread inquires about rebuilding a Blue Box loco, I thought I'd respond to both threads together.
The first thing I do is completely dissassemble each loco to clean out dirt, crud and dried up grease. I reassemble the trucks and oil the gears with a couple of drops of plastic compatible oil (it doesn't take much). I next solder a couple of 3 to 4" lengths of 28 or 30 gauge flexible stranded wire to the steel electrical contacts on each truck so that the loco does not have to rely on contact with the chassis or the steel contact strips along the top of the original motor.
I like to remotor these locos using the SMC FP280-KN DC 16v 11200 rpm can motor currently available on-line for $3.25 each. Don't let the cheap price fool you! These are strong, torquey motors that will smoothly propel a BB loco all day at prototypical speeds without a hitch, all while drawing significantly less current than the original motor. Note that these motors were originally designed to power automotive side view mirrors. Because such mirrors are often in near proximity to stereo speakers in the car door, these motors come with an interference shield to keep motor noise out of the speakers. If the motor will fit inside your loco with the shield in place, great. However, the actual motor is significantly smaller with the shield removed, especially useful when installing one in a GP9. The shield can easily be removed with a razor saw or hack saw. These motors can easily be attached to the chassis using hot glue, silicone glue, double sided foam tape or whatever you prefer. Just try to mount the motor shaft in line with the gear towers on the trucks. I use lengths of 1/8" styrene tubing to adapt the original Blue Box flywheels to the 2mm shafts of the new can motor. That way, the only part of the original BB driveline that changes is the motor.
I don't know whether your are going to convert your Blue Box loco to DCC. I would highly recommend doing so as DCC allows you to run your trains instead of the track, and most of the features you are looking for are included on even basic non-sound decoders. If I'm not installing sound, I like to use the NCE D13J decoder and one of my DIY keep-alive circuits. This arrangement gives me a smooth and quiet running loco that will crawl along at super slow speeds with no hesitation or stopping on dirty track and all the lighting functions I desire.
To mount the decoder and keep-alive circuit, I first glue or use double sided foam tape to attach a long 1/2" wide strip of .080" styrene to the top of the new motor. The length of this styrene strip should be cut to allow it to fit just inside the headlight lenses on each end of the loco. This will allow you to mount the new headlight LED's to the ends of the styrene strip. The styrene strip also provides a nice surface to attach the decoder, keep-alive and all associated wires and keep everything away from and clear of the drive line. If you want them, the styrene strip also gives you a place to install an engineer and fireman.
If the shell of the Blue Box loco does not already match one of the road names I use on my layout, I will strip it using 91% alcohol and a toothbrush. I next add any details or grabs I want, then repaint the shell into an approriate livery for my layout. Regardless of whether I repaint the shell or buy a loco already painted in a road name I use, I like to weather my locos as, to me at least, they look more realistic and the weathering tends to hide the fact that a loco is not superdetailed. Once the weathering is completed, I then add glazing to the cab windows. I find it is easiest to simply glue pieces of any flat clear plastic into place using pressure sensitive adhesive (PSA) such as that available from Micro-Mark. Trim the clear plastic pieces to fit inside the windows, apply the PSA around the window openings on the inside of the shell, allow the PSA to dry (it becomes very tacky), then press the pieces of clear plastic into place. Unless broken, I also like to retain the original Athearn GP9 headlight lenses. If already broken, I replace the lenses with pieces of optic fiber.
This method results in a loco that was inexpensive to buy and refurbish, is as robust as a brand new Athearn loco, looks good and operates smoothly and quietly enough to please all of my layout operators. Best of all, if one of my operators manages to drive one of these locos off the edge of the layout, I haven't lost a $200 or $300 loco! I hope this helps. Good luck!
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BigDaddy Walthers had a diesel dress up kit for F3's and F7's but I don't remember anything for Geeps.
Walthers had a diesel dress up kit for F3's and F7's but I don't remember anything for Geeps.
I actually found a set of side railings for my BB geep on a rack at my old LHS. It was not labeled as anything other than GP9 railings. I just took a chance that I would be able to make them fit, but they fit exactly with no modifications.
On a different topic, the old BB geeps use the locomotive frame as one side of the electrical circuit. Since the coupler pockets on those engines are part of the frame, they are electrically "hot" and you should isolate the couplers or use plastic couplers or replace the original pocket with a plastic one. That's what I did.
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Thanks Henry,
I guess your right, more info.
Going by the unanswered thread, he's looking for DC directional lighting.
I guess we'll wait!
Mike.
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John has another thread that is so far unanswered and relevant to the discussion.
John GrayI need info about adding headlights, window glazing, and directional lighting. I'm not going to super detail these but want some idea of them working as the somewhat higher-end old stuff. where can I get lighting modules and or how to glaze the windows? I've been out of the model train business for too long and have forgotten more than I ever knew. Thanks for any info in advance John
I'm not going to super detail these but want some idea of them working as the somewhat higher-end old stuff. where can I get lighting modules and or how to glaze the windows? I've been out of the model train business for too long and have forgotten more than I ever knew.
Thanks for any info in advance John
There is a lot we don't know here. John may remember back in the day when there was a DC board for directional lighting in DC engines. We don't know his intentions regarding DCC or sound.
I agree that the LifeLike Protos were of better detail and running quality than the BB's. However there is a BB tune up tutorial somewhere out on the web, if he wants to persue that.
I think we need more clarity on what John wants.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
Welcome to the forums.
Mr. Beasley's reply is something to consider, especially if your going to convert this to DCC.
First you should do a stall test on the motor, and check the amps. You want to be less than the rating for decoder you plan on putting in.
Most basic DCC decoders are good for 1.5 amps, so your motor should stall test at less than that. I've converted a few BB Athearns, with the stock motor testing at 0.65.
The board you want clips on to the top of motor, and replaces the brass strip that is on the stock motor.
If you want to try it, Athearn offers this:
https://www.athearn.com/product/ho-dcc-adapter-board-locomotive-1/ATH90616.html
What I always do is simply hardwire the decoder into the loco, and add LED lights, and skip the board.
Actuall, I have a few boards laying around, with the DC jumper, if you want to PM me, I would send you one to try, if your sure you want to go that way.
Hardwiring a decoder is very simple, and they come with good instructions to do so.
Just my thoughts,
By the way, as a new member you will be in moderation for a few posts, to make sure you're not an advertising bot or a troll. Keep posting, please, and you'll soon be out of that rut.
Welcome aboard!
How old is the engine? Is this going to be DC or DCC?
I had a couple of those old geeps from my teenage layout in the 1950s. When I pulled them out of their 35 year hibernation, they didn't run well at all. I tried putting in a DCC motor decoder, but the engine only ran in small, jerky movements. One engine just got tossed, and the other I gutted and turned into a sound dummy.
I found a sale on Proto 1000 geeps in my road. New in the box, they were cheaper than replacing motors and wheels. This was maybe 20 years ago.
Most important, how does the engine run now?
I need info about adding headlights, window glazing, and directional lighting.
Thanks for any info in advance