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Can't throw my throw

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Posted by crossthedog on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 11:59 PM

Is the throwbar coming off of a cork roadbed? I had to dig out the edge of the cork around where the throwbar is, because the part of the Caboose product that attaches to the throwbar would press against the cork underneath. Something to check, anyway, though it seems you would notice this right away if it were the cause of resistence.

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:37 PM

If the turnout is installed per the instructions, and as Doc Wayne describes, then I'm inclined to suspect that Brent has the correct guess.  I find that turnouts will move the throwbar well one way, but there's a strong resistance part of the way back.  Often this is due to grit that will 'rock' one way when you throw the points, but they don't 'rock' well the other way, and they bind hard to the bottom of the throwbar.  If there's six or seven such bits of grit, you'll find it very hard to get a good throw, or a complete throw.  

If your turnout is not ballasted, and the joiners slide still, remove the turnout, run a scraper over the area, especially where the throwbar is/was, and then vacuum well with a brush to help to lift and dislodge anything resisting the air moving into the vacuum nozzle.  Reinstall the turnout, use spare tie ends or toothpicks to place the points midships in the throw, and place your ground-throw lever midway through its arc.  Install, as Wayne described, and then see if you don't get better results.  BTW, those grits needn't be UNDER the throwbar; they could be between the throwbar and the headblocks, so make doubly sure the throwbar moves freely once you reinstall the turnout after cleaning.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:24 PM

If the Caboose Industries ground throw works in only one direction, you've installed it incorrectly.

For proper installation, manually park the turnout's points in a mid-throw position, (block in-place if necessary), then do likewise with the groundthrow's handle in a vertical position.  Next, with the nub on the bottom of the ground throw inserted into a hole in the turnout's switch-rod, fasten the ground throw securely to the layout.  Done accurately, the movement of the points will place them solidly against either rail of the turnout.

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Posted by BATMAN on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 10:27 AM

I have had the same problem on more than one occasion. I have found the pin that attaches the ground throw to the turnout gets caught up underneath. I found digging a little trench between the headblocks so this pin doesn't catch resolved the problem. Trimming the pin flush underneath sometimes resulted in it popping out so the trench was a better solution.

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Posted by rrebell on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 10:05 AM

First, make sure you used the right throw for your turnout brand, they have different amount of throws.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 7:48 AM

snjroy

I prefer using the  lever, Rich.

Can't argue with that. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 7:08 AM

snjroy

 

 
JRP

Hi.  I recently bought the standard Caboose Industries "ground throw" (HO) and thought I installed them correctly to the letter.  One handle throws the turnout and lands to one side, but when I try to push the handle back all the way to the other side, it resists.  I'm aftraid I will break the handle if I force it.  Is that the way they work, or am I missing something here? 

 

 

 

Mine does that too. It might depend on the turnout. I use Peco.

 

Simon

 

I should have been more specific : mine makes contact perfectly, it just does not go all the way down in one of the directions. I assume it is a distance thing.

And I prefer using the  lever, Rich.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 6:51 AM

snjroy

Mine does that too. It might depend on the turnout. I use Peco. 

Why do you use a ground throw with a Peco turnout? Why not just use your finger to flip the spring loaded throwbar?

Rich

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 6:49 AM

Release the connection to the throwbar and test the ground throw to see if it moves freely back and forth. It sounds like an installation problem to me.

Rich

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Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:34 AM

JRP

Hi.  I recently bought the standard Caboose Industries "ground throw" (HO) and thought I installed them correctly to the letter.  One handle throws the turnout and lands to one side, but when I try to push the handle back all the way to the other side, it resists.  I'm aftraid I will break the handle if I force it.  Is that the way they work, or am I missing something here? 

 

Mine does that too. It might depend on the turnout. I use Peco.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:01 PM

All my Caboose Industries ground throws are (on last layout) easy to flip either direction. Something is caught/binding somewhere, or it is unfortunately not installed correctly. 

Photos of the turnout and ground throw in question would help greatly in allowing us on the forum to assist in diagnosing the issue.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:41 PM

JRP
Is that the way they work

No. I have no idea what problem yours has, but they should work freely.

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Can't throw my throw
Posted by JRP on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:13 PM

Hi.  I recently bought the standard Caboose Industries "ground throw" (HO) and thought I installed them correctly to the letter.  One handle throws the turnout and lands to one side, but when I try to push the handle back all the way to the other side, it resists.  I'm aftraid I will break the handle if I force it.  Is that the way they work, or am I missing something here? 

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