ATLANTIC CENTRALSpike is on a crusade against Atlas turnouts.
Spike is on all kinds of crusades, but for the life of me, I don't get his severe hatred of Atlas products.
-Kevin
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Lastspikemike Hey, we have 8 Atlas turnouts on our layout. They are cheap. They are not good quality except for the #6 Superswitches which are very good but not cheap. They don't have sprung throwbars and Atlas switch motors don't fit them so they are not installed. Very good quality though. But as expensive as Peco so????? We substitute Peco wherever we can. Much better build quality. The new Walthers line is well designed and very well made. Not cheap. Unfortunately the ME Code 70 turnouts I bought are not as good as they promised to be. They aren't as expensive as Peco or Walthers and the relatively poor quality shows the price effects. Nice looking but they don't work well. I still think Peco are best value although the new Insulfrog may be a tiny frog too far.
Hey, we have 8 Atlas turnouts on our layout. They are cheap. They are not good quality except for the #6 Superswitches which are very good but not cheap. They don't have sprung throwbars and Atlas switch motors don't fit them so they are not installed. Very good quality though. But as expensive as Peco so?????
We substitute Peco wherever we can. Much better build quality. The new Walthers line is well designed and very well made. Not cheap. Unfortunately the ME Code 70 turnouts I bought are not as good as they promised to be. They aren't as expensive as Peco or Walthers and the relatively poor quality shows the price effects. Nice looking but they don't work well.
I still think Peco are best value although the new Insulfrog may be a tiny frog too far.
The Super Switch uses the exact same points and frog as the Custom Line turnout, it simply has more correct tie layout and a long diverging route that always needs trimming.
The manufacturers suggested retail price of the #6 Super Switch is $27.95.
The manufacturers suggested retail price of the #4 and #6 Custom Line turnout is $26.95.
The manufacturers suggested retail price of the #8 Custom Line turnout is $27.95.
The switch machines do not fit the Super Switch because it is intended for under the layout switch machines or other more advanced control methods.
More expensive? Maybe in Canada, I would not know, but not here. Better? look and work the same as all my Custom Line turnouts.
OK, I have had enough play time, more important stuff to do.
Sheldon
riogrande5761 ATLANTIC CENTRAL all my trains have been running just fine on the 100 defective Atlas turnouts I have........... Sheldon Sounds to me they are not actually defective if trains are running fine. Or are you taking the Mickey out of the other people posting here.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL all my trains have been running just fine on the 100 defective Atlas turnouts I have........... Sheldon
Sounds to me they are not actually defective if trains are running fine. Or are you taking the Mickey out of the other people posting here.
I'm just reporting my experiances just like everyone else - sarcasum? yes. 100, or 200, or 300, that work, against a couple of defects?
Spike is on a crusade against Atlas turnouts, I'm on one in favor of them.
I have built, or helped build six or seven LARGE layouts in the last 25 years all using mainly Atlas code 83 track. And a few others using PECO turnouts, and few others using hand layed turnouts. I saw no advantage or improved performance from the second two choices.
I have built a layout with hand layed turnouts, I only do that for "specials" now. And actually I have figured out how to curve Atlas #6's and #8's into large radius curved turnouts and have used Atlas points and frogs to hand lay special turnouts.
I started in this hobby with TruScale wood roadbed turnouts which another forum member will tell you are junk. They worked fine too.
I don't need or want little throw bar springs, I don't want power routing. I do want yard ladders that make up with 2" centers, I like spending less.
I have never had any of the reported problems.......
And like I said, if they are code 83, they are not "Mark V".
ATLANTIC CENTRALall my trains have been running just fine on the 100 defective Atlas turnouts I have........... Sheldon
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Remeyer53 As far as DCC is concerned there does not seem to be any problem with the Mark V. However, at least the #6 turnouts have a serious problem with the point hinge falling apart. Nice idea, but the retaining ring on the bottom that holds the points in place falls off easily and is very difficult to replace. Out of the 8 new turnouts on the club modules, three have needed to be replaced before they even went in operation.
As far as DCC is concerned there does not seem to be any problem with the Mark V. However, at least the #6 turnouts have a serious problem with the point hinge falling apart. Nice idea, but the retaining ring on the bottom that holds the points in place falls off easily and is very difficult to replace. Out of the 8 new turnouts on the club modules, three have needed to be replaced before they even went in operation.
Code 100 or Code 83? Because the code 83 products are not Mark V, and only the #8 code 83 Custom Line turnout is even identified with any "Mark" designation - Mark IV.
I have no doubt that you had some problem turnouts, defective product does happen. But I have nearly 100 Atlas Custom Line code 83 turnouts from various production dates and runs since their introduction up to recent production and have had no problems, especially no problems with the point hinge. And I can see no noticeable difference between any of them.
Atlas "Mark V" turnouts, just introduced this past spring, are an improved version of the CODE 100 TURNOUT, bringing the code 100 product up to the appearance and tollerance standards the code 83 product has always had - THAT DOES NOT MAKE THE CODE 83 PRODUCT "MARK V" - Altas has never called them that.
https://shop.atlasrr.com/b-introducing-new-atlas-ho-code-100-mark-v-customline-turnouts-390-series.aspx
READ THE PRESS RELEASE CAREFULLY - it clearly says MARK V is code 100.
I will leave you all to the rest of this non sense, all my trains have been running just fine on the 100 defective Atlas turnouts I have...........
Lakeshore Sub The Dayton and Northern is a 6'X12' rectangle that is open in the middle. Outer and inner loops that go around the rectanlge with an egine facility, yard and sidings. The plan in the book shows gaps that would be needed to mutiple train operation on a DC layout. There are no return loops in this plan so technially for DCC operation, there don't need to be any gaps in the track on the layout as published, even at the crossovers. Scott Sonntag
The Dayton and Northern is a 6'X12' rectangle that is open in the middle. Outer and inner loops that go around the rectanlge with an egine facility, yard and sidings. The plan in the book shows gaps that would be needed to mutiple train operation on a DC layout. There are no return loops in this plan so technially for DCC operation, there don't need to be any gaps in the track on the layout as published, even at the crossovers.
Scott Sonntag
As an addition to my own comment: I would agree with many of the latest comments, in that you might have to experiment to see which brand of turnout works with the plan that you have chosen. The book mentions that the default on all turnouts are a #4 frog except where specified and nothing is specified on the 23 turnouts on this plan..
SeeYou190Frogs only need power if you intend to run very small locomotives where crossing over a short dead piece of track (the frog) would cause the locomotive to stall.
-Matt
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1arfarf3 Im new to this DCC stuff. I'm new to this DCC stuff. 1. Why power the frogs, then? 2. Peco SLE-88 a Unifrog? 3. How do you avoid having power from both directions? Thanks.
Im new to this DCC stuff.
I'm new to this DCC stuff.
1. Why power the frogs, then?
2. Peco SLE-88 a Unifrog?
3. How do you avoid having power from both directions?
Thanks.
I would suggest a couple of things here:
First take some time to thoroughly aquaint yourself with the basic wiring schemes for turnouts - good turnout wiring practices are pretty much the same for DCC and DC. To get started either Sheldon's books or cruise on over to Alan Gartner's site (caution - it can be overwhelming)
One of the things that makes this more complicated is that many track makers have changed how their switches are wired over the years. For example the Peco electrofrog - when you find versions from different years they are wired differently, same with shinohara and micro enginering.
This is another reason why it is important to learn about basic switch wiring schemes so you can deal with anything you might encounter....
Another suggestion is to buy some different turnouts from the varioius manufacturers and see which ones suit you best. Now if you are looking to build a small layout this might be overkill, but if the project is large, it can be an enlightening thing to do.
Have fun,
Guy
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Remember, when using DCC that direction is controlled by the decoder in the engine not the polarity on the track so you don't need to isolate any of the tracks from each other with this plan. Not sure that you really mean power districts for each of the loops because they don't need to be controlled separately using DCC and a layout of this size could be powered by even the smallest of DCC systems available for muti-train operation.
This is all assuming that you are using the published version of the plan and aren't making any changes to the plan as it is. Are you making any changes to the plan as published? Hope this helps.
The layout is #56 Dayton & Northern in the 101 Track Plans. Thinking of using Peco code 100. I will power frog due to short engines.
Where 2 switches form a cross over, where are insulated joiners used? Each mainline will be on separate power districts.
1. Probably only needed for equipment with limited electrical pick-up. Think a trackmobile or (typically) older locomotives that only got power from two wheels on each rail.
2. That is an electrofrog. The third letter is the tell. No third letter is an insulfrog, an E is an electrofrog, and a U is a Unifrog.
3. Insulated rail joiners. However, depending on your track layout, wiring, and/or goals, these may not be necessary. Would need more detail to provide advice on this.
Hope this helps.
Mike
1arfarf3I'm new to this DCC stuff.
That is OK.
1arfarf31. Why power the frogs, then?
Frogs only need power if you intend to run very small locomotives where crossing over a short dead piece of track (the frog) would cause the locomotive to stall.
1arfarf32. Peco SLE-88 a Unifrog?
I have limited experience with Peco turnouts.
1arfarf33. How do you avoid having power from both directions?
Using Atlas turnouts, this really does not matter so much.
As Sheldon suggested, Atlas turnouts are the easiest to use, and require no special electrical knowledge.
I have been involved with the building of a couple of large layouts using Atlas HO scale turnouts and everything was OK.
In DC did you ever use power routing all rail turnouts like Shinohara, Walthers, or TruScale? Did you ever build your own turnouts? If not I suggest you stay with Atlas or buy some good books like Paul Mallery's trackwork handbook and his two electrical books.
Atlas turnouts were DCC friendly before there was DCC.
Been using Atlas turnouts for about 35 years, always happy.
SeeYou190 Since the Mark V turnout is the newest offering by Atlas, and introduced well into the DCC era, I doubt there would be any problems at all to worry about. Overall, Atlas turnouts are very high quality. -Kevin
Since the Mark V turnout is the newest offering by Atlas, and introduced well into the DCC era, I doubt there would be any problems at all to worry about.
Overall, Atlas turnouts are very high quality.
JJF
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Any problems, concerns, etc with these compared to other brands for DCC use?