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Funaro & Camerlengo Jones & Laughlin 20,000 Gallon Tank Car

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Posted by banjobenne1 on Friday, November 18, 2022 8:04 AM

I want to thank all who helped me with these pictures, happy thanksgiven to all.

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Posted by banjobenne1 on Thursday, November 17, 2022 7:29 PM

Hello I get it this subjuct is more than a year old but I am still learning how to use this forum format. Could you please provide a photo looking down at the brake rigging for this tank car right next to the trucks? Thank you

 

 
Rod Carr
I suspect that what is meant is to place them on the top of the frame along the centerline.

 

Hello.

It took me a little bit of head scratching to figure out what the F&C instructions were refering to. Then one of these lit up... Idea

Those castings go toward the ends of the truck bolsters which are also the centers of the tank cradles:

 FnC_10K-tank_NWSL by Edmund, on Flickr

They show up on the drawing like thus:

 

 FnC_10K-tank_edited-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

 FnC_10K-tank_NWSL-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

My F & C kit is still in the box but I have a pair of the NWSL brass ones that I used for reference.

You "might" find it better to locate the four tank saddles first, THEN place the four cast "cradle brackets" on afterward?

F&C instructions are a bit puzzling, to say the least. Why they give you five of these sturdy parts but no extras of the very fragile parts is also quite perplexing.

Good Luck, Ed

 

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Posted by gmpullman on Thursday, November 17, 2022 6:36 PM

The J&L cars had two separate brake systems on each car. A somewhat unique arrangement.

 Tank car J & L-1020 by Edmund, on Flickr

The NWSL brass model has a somewhat rudimentary brake detail. I'll see if I can get a decent photo of what's under there in the not too distant future.

 JnL_20K-tank by Edmund, on Flickr

The smaller "can" is supposed to be the reservoir and the larger one the brake cylinder. There would, of course, be two AB-D brake control valves as well. They aren't even represented on the NWSL model and the instructions are a bit vague on the F&C kit.

 J&L_10K-tank-belly by Edmund, on Flickr

According to F&C the control valves would be mounted on each side of the center sill at the middle of the car where the "Japan" tag is after a 1953 brake upgrade.

 J&L_10K-tank-belly-1 by Edmund, on Flickr.

 

Good Luck, Ed

 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, November 17, 2022 6:01 PM

I don't have any 20,000 gallon tankcars, but here are a couple views of brake gear under tank cars...(for a larger view, simply click on the photos)

This one is a Tangent kit...

... with AB-type brake gear...

...and another Tangent kit-built tank car...

...with K-type brake gear...

This one is a shortened tank from an old Varney tankcar, running on a Tichy underframe...

 

...also with K-type brakes...

There's not really much underbody brake gear, but usually just enough to look proper.

Wayne

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Posted by banjobenne1 on Wednesday, November 16, 2022 9:38 AM

This is sooooo close to what I need. Now if you would just focus the camera down on the the brake rigging next to the trucks I can finally finish this model (two and a half years now). 

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Posted by banjobenne1 on Tuesday, November 15, 2022 9:15 PM

Whom ever might have such a photograph of this tank car with the brake rigging?

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:10 PM

banjobenne1
Hello could you please provide a photograph

Who are you asking?

banjobenne1
of the underside of this tank car?

"This" tank car as in the NWSL model or the F&C model?

Regards, Ed

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Posted by banjobenne1 on Sunday, June 12, 2022 3:13 PM

Hello could you please provide a photograph of the underside of this tank car? Thank you for your time.

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Posted by Rod Carr on Friday, June 4, 2021 6:14 PM
Thanks for your insight. I think you've hit the nail on the head and I appreciate your attention to my confusion. Rod
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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, June 4, 2021 3:55 PM

Rod Carr
I suspect that what is meant is to place them on the top of the frame along the centerline.

Hello.

It took me a little bit of head scratching to figure out what the F&C instructions were refering to. Then one of these lit up... Idea

Those castings go toward the ends of the truck bolsters which are also the centers of the tank cradles:

 FnC_10K-tank_NWSL by Edmund, on Flickr

They show up on the drawing like thus:

 

 FnC_10K-tank_edited-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

 FnC_10K-tank_NWSL-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

My F & C kit is still in the box but I have a pair of the NWSL brass ones that I used for reference.

You "might" find it better to locate the four tank saddles first, THEN place the four cast "cradle brackets" on afterward?

F&C instructions are a bit puzzling, to say the least. Why they give you five of these sturdy parts but no extras of the very fragile parts is also quite perplexing.

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, June 4, 2021 2:38 PM

If this is the #6970 coal-tar tank, LMH has one for sale on eBay that has a legible (albeit fuzzy) copy of the instructions, and model and prototype photos.

The instructions as I read them say to put two of the part #2 brackets each end so they are centered on 0.710 from the ends of the car.  You only use four.  It also seems clear from both the model and prototype pictures that there are four supports, not five, supporting the tank bottom -- these are different parts.

I do not believe you use 'all five brackets provided' on this tank.

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Funaro & Camerlengo Jones & Laughlin 20,000 Gallon Tank Car
Posted by Rod Carr on Friday, June 4, 2021 1:05 PM

I am assembling the resin kit for the J&L 20,000 Gallon Tank car.  The directions say: "Cement the cast tank cradle brackets (Part #2 - 5 castings) to the sides of the frame.  The center of the of the bracket should be 0.710" from the end of the frame."  There is no illustration of the castings attached to the sides of the frame, and since there is an odd number of them, I suspect that what is meant is to place them on the top of the frame along the centerline.  This would put a point load on the bottom of the tank at 5 places along the center, so I'm wondering if my suspicion is correct.  If you have built this kit can you clear up my befuddlement?  

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