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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:37 PM

My wife wants different colours for the pots. I'm ok with that. Will make the glass roof tonight at the National Stained Glass Studio.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:58 AM

Like flower pots!

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:57 AM

My old school pencil sharpener is very useful for making tapered wooden parts.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Monday, December 4, 2017 7:02 PM

Working on plants for the greenhouse using real reindeer lichen that I picked from one of the abandoned gypsum quarries in Walton, Nova Scotia back in May. The lichen was boiled in a water-isopropyl-green-dye combination and has held up well, as expected (several references on this in the model railroad literature).

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Monday, December 4, 2017 6:59 PM

Randy: Good idea. When I start to replace all the plastic ties in my layout I'll go the jig route.

Track with wooden ties complete and will look great on the shale ballast. Tomorrow I'll finish the shale sub-ballast, add shale ballast with shale powder for smoothing under the ties, and make a bit more track for the Alberta side.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, December 4, 2017 6:12 PM

 If you made a simple jig to space ties the right distance, you could do a whole string at a time instead of on by one. In fact, if you are cutting your glass ties to prototypical width as ell, you could use the same jig to replace plastic ties with wood OR glass, a whole strip of track at a time.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Monday, December 4, 2017 3:47 PM

All 33 ties painted. I install 10 or 11 at a time, evenly distributed over the length of the track. E6000 glue starts firming up quickly so I'll be able to complete this track this evening.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Monday, December 4, 2017 1:16 PM

Great suggestions. The wire I used here was stranded and kindly donated by Maritime Hobbies and Crafts. I've ordered solid to see if it holds a catenary better. Thanks.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, December 4, 2017 10:14 AM

None of those wires will look as if they're hanging in natural catenary, without 'flat spots' or kinks.

As a suggestion, the method used to make watch hairsprings: use a fine wire that hardens when 'fired', cut a groove in a metal plate that corresponds to your span and catenary curve at 'prototype tension', and heat the plate over silver sand or whatever until the wire blues up - you could build up enough oxide thickness to give reasonable black over time, if that helps.

(This approach can also be used with curved plate jigs and appropriate braze material to make complex OHLE arrangements with pulloffs and sinusoidal wear offset at even small scale, for a future project 'under the cat'...)

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Monday, December 4, 2017 8:58 AM

The easiest way that I have found to replace plastic ties with wooden ones, while maintaining factory rail separation, is to use my Chopper to cut out one at a time and replace one at a time. For me this is not work but fun! This old Made-in-Austria brass straight track will be used on the Alberta side of the display. Each wooden tie is painted before bonding to the rails. Oh, and I keep all the plastic ties and wood bits for future use.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:44 PM

Night has arrived in Nova Scotia and another coat of Scenic Cement applied to the shale and gypsum sub-ballast to dry overnight. More sub-ballast layers tomorrow. Display case grooves have been made with my router so I'll be able to cut and fit all the glass pieces soon.

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Posted by maxman on Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:40 PM

richhotrain

Sometimes I feel like I am living in an alternate universe.  Laugh

 

 
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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, December 3, 2017 3:14 PM

Sometimes I feel like I am living in an alternate universe.  Laugh

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Sunday, December 3, 2017 3:05 PM

When/if I publish my Pidgeon Creek layout or geothermal plant, none of the manuscript material, including photographs, will have been seen by anyone but me and my professional photographer. All of the photos I post here are from my iPhone or iPad. I will not be publishing my display case in a magazine so this thread will continue until the case is finished.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:55 PM

I have no problem with anyone using material I post here for any purpose, including financial gain. That is why I withhold a lot of material and information (why I don't answer some questions for example). What I send in print for publication is not here including photographs. That is what I mean by prior publication - my prior publication online or in print. I have many professional publications under my belt. I know the routine. Thanks.

GraniteRailroader

 

 
OldSchoolScratchbuilder

My geothermal plant manuscript will be sent to both Model Railroader and Railroad Model Craftsman after Christmas. Prior publication is not allowed.

 

Have you read the Terms of Use for the Forums and Kalmbach's online media? Just so you're aware, you gave up the ability to disallow that by continued use of their platform.

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Posted by GraniteRailroader on Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:39 PM

OldSchoolScratchbuilder

My geothermal plant manuscript will be sent to both Model Railroader and Railroad Model Craftsman after Christmas. Prior publication is not allowed.

Have you read the Terms of Use for the Forums and Kalmbach's online media? Just so you're aware, you gave up the ability to disallow that by continued use of their platform.

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This space reserved for SpaceMouse's future presidential candidacy advertisements

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:03 PM

Mirror groove cut with router and gypsum sub-ballast layer installed.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:43 AM

Bonding stained glass ties to brass rail this morning. Used E6000 adhesive.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:49 PM

Richhotrain. Shale and gypsum are very soft materials and would never be used on railroads or in any other load-bearing applications. They are ideal to work with in my train modelling and my gypsum carving art studio. There is an article in MR where kitty litter is even used as ballast. In my case, Nova Scotia shale, gypsum and sandstone are readily available, in abundance, and located in many areas that are not private property. Unlimited and fascinating modelling materials for FREE!

PS. Rock and mineral collecting is permitted by law in Nova Scotia.

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:39 PM

OldSchoolScratchbuilder

Subgrade complete. Now I need to crush and sift shale from Walton, Nova Scotia into sub-ballast and ballast grades. 

The use of shale as ballast interests me since I am only familiar with rock ballast on the prototype.

Turns out, the the Canadian National Railway has specifications concerning crushed rock ballast. These specifications prohibit the use of shale which is a form of mudrock.

"The ballast and trowelling stone shall be composed of hard, strong and durable particles, clean and free from clay and shale and from an excess of dust or elongated pieces."

http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/findata/matmgt/documents//2013/539-2013//539-2013_Appendix_D-CN_Ballast_Specification.pdf

But that's the prototype. I don't see any harm in using shale in a display case. Heck, I use Woodland Scenics ballast on my layout and that is crushed walnut shells.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:02 PM

Got it - Thanks for the explanations.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:00 PM

If you look at my avatar you'll see one of my shale roadbeds. The underside of the track is almost 100% in contact with the shale. That's why I also keep the very fine stone powder. It is mixed in with the top ballast layer under the track for a smooth bonding surface - just as smooth as cork but real Nova Scotia rocks or minerals. A final ballast layer over the track is brushed on and sprayed down in the usual way.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:49 PM

Got it...but what about the track?

The ballast will only provide "points" of contact underneath the ties of the rail rather than a larger, uniform surface area (e.g. cork roadbed) for better adhesion.  If the surface of the ballast is uneven then you'll have high and low spots that your adhesive will need to "gap" to contact the rail ties.  While the track may "appear" to be locked together with the ballast and the sub-ballast base, it may - in reality - not be as stable.

I'd hate to see all that work and effort made only for the track to give way and dislodge from the ballast; thereby requiring you to repair it.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:38 PM

SeeYou190. Our specialty hardwood shop is amazing. Everyday new items appear in the smaller wood bins and on the shelves. Here is the link 

http://eastcoastspecialtyhardwoods.com

 

You will see four categories: lumber, millwork, plywood and slabs. My olivewood base is a slab.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:32 PM

Oh yes glue. The subballast sits on a layer of fast drying wood glue (I have lots of experience with this in my GypsumWorks Studio). Before the final subballast layer is applied, Woodland Scenics Scenic Cement is used. I have lots of experience with this cement on both shale and gypsum ballast - works well. Everything will stay in place even when the entire display is tilted at a steep angle.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:25 PM

Good questions. I'll try to answer all of them together. The reason I cut a subgrade (close to CN specs) was to lay the track slightly above ground (olivewood) level. This provides for better overhead clearance for tall locomotives and rolling stock through the tunnel and under power lines. On the Alberta side of the tunnel the ballast and sub-ballast will be shale. You will see both the ballast and sub-ballast. Inside the display case will be gypsum ballast and sub-ballast around glass ties. This is the Nova Scotian gypsum quarry line. Two completely different environments on one piece of olivewood.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:22 PM

OldSchoolScratchbuilder
Picked up a beautiful piece of exotic thuya burl from Morrocco yesterday at the specialty hardwood store.

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I never heard of a specialty hardwood store before... I guess I kind of knew there had to be such a thing.

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Quick Googling... there is one in Atlanta! I will be stopping in there next week.

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The piece you selectd is gorgeous!

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:09 PM

Two Three questions that you will most likely not answer but I'll ask anyway:

  1. Taking your prior posted pictures from the bottom of pg. 5 as your eventual goal: Will the darker sub-ballast gray shale be visible at all if it's level with the top of the wood base and covered by the lighter gypsum ballast?
  2. Even though it's just a display case, will the track likely be less stable and level on top of your larger-than-prototype ballast vs laying it flat on cork roadbed to elevate it to the proper height then covering it with ballast?
  3. How will you glue down the ballast to the base and the track to the ballast so that it's all locked together and doesn't shift - i.e. should the display case ever get jostled or tipped onto its side while being transported?

I had to analyze potential issues at my prior job.  So, these are the types of questions that immediately come to mind when I look at other people's work.  You may have it already figured out but it's not particularly clear from my perspective.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, December 2, 2017 12:59 PM

Filling the subgrade with shale sub-ballast. Shale grades are the same as the gypsum grades.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:47 AM

Subgrade complete. Now I need to crush and sift shale from Walton, Nova Scotia into sub-ballast and ballast grades.

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