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Posted by tstage on Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:26 PM

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You need to move that pole farther away from the mirror. The mirrored pole is too close to the adjacent pole.

No I don't. This display case is a piece of artwork, and like art, it needs to be viewed from different angles with various interpretations. Everyone will imagine something different when they look inside. For example, the engineer in a locomotive looking back through a mirror might see this.

I have to agree with Rich on this one.  If you want the effect of the lightpoles in the mirror to look evenly spaced with the poles in the display case, the pole nearest the mirror should be half the distance to the mirror as it is to the pole to the right of it.  That way it looks even throughout.  Does that make sense?

It's kinda like planting trees on your layout offset from but too near your backdrop and lighting them from the front.  The shadows cast on the backdrop spoil the illusion, which is what I thought was the intended use of the mirror in your display.  But, it's artwork - as you label it.  And one "interpretation" thinks that the lightpole too close to the mirror will spoil the effect it was thought you were trying to achieve.

So, no - the engineer looking back would not see this.  He would see lightpoles that were generally evenly spaced from one another.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:10 AM

Now that I can build poles of various types with ease, I will focus on developing a clip-on wire to connect them. I'll give a few of my spare poles to Maritime Hobbies next week with the connecting '3-phase' wires.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, November 23, 2017 7:30 AM

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You need to move that pole farther away from the mirror. The mirrored pole is too close to the adjacent pole.

No I don't. This display case is a piece of artwork, and like art, it needs to be viewed from different angles with various interpretations. Everyone will imagine something different when they look inside. For example, the engineer in a locomotive looking back through a mirror might see this.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, November 23, 2017 7:21 AM

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Power pole is completed and operational. Once the power lines are attached the mirror will make it look like the lines continue into the distance. The power pole by the tunnel will be a different design since the power lines have to pass through the tunnel To the power sources behind the fused glass back plate.

 

You need to move that pole farther away from the mirror. The mirrored pole is too close to the adjacent pole.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, November 23, 2017 7:07 AM

Easy clip-on lines (4 of them) will be designed next.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Thursday, November 23, 2017 7:05 AM

Power pole is completed and operational. Once the power lines are attached the mirror will make it look like the lines continue into the distance. The power pole by the tunnel will be a different design since the power lines have to pass through the tunnel To the power sources behind the fused glass back plate.

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Posted by tstage on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:15 PM

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As I said before, the three phase terminals on each pole will be live with the neutral line electrical ground. The wires between poles will be clip-ons so easily removed or reconfigured. The power poles on my street are not hollow.

From your earlier post it was difficult to determine if you meant real '3-phase', or merely nominal (i.e. mimicked) '3-phase'.  Thanks for the clarification.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:42 PM

One high line will be 3 volts dc to drive the power pole lighting. The other two high lines can be different voltages, ac or dc to drive other devices of interest.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:28 PM

As I said before, the three phase terminals on each pole will be live with the neutral line electrical ground. The wires between poles will be clip-ons so easily removed or reconfigured. The power poles on my street are not hollow.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:15 PM

Used my butane torch on the heat shrink tubing, then connected the 3-phase neutral line to the LED negative with the current-limiting resistor disguised as a small transformer or inductor By painting it black. Painted the pole brown. The positive lead from the LED will be connected to the (empty) high terminal on the crossarm.

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Posted by tstage on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 6:29 PM

To ask the question again that someone queried about on pg 4:

  • How will you hide the lighting wires if the poles are not hollow?...Or,
  • Will you run your wires between the light poles in order to provide power to the lights using the metal "insulators" as a contact?

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 6:19 PM

Housings are painted and glued to both the safety pin and LED.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 5:32 PM

Now the heat shrink, LED and housing are put in place at the same time.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 5:20 PM

Before gluing the housings in place, the heat shrink tubing needs to be cut to length.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 5:05 PM

Safety pins are cut and shaped into lamp mast arms and small pieces of wood are carved into lamp housings and fixed to the ends of the mast arms.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 2:29 PM

Three poles with crossarms, crossarm supports, safety pins, and four holes for the '3-phase' lines. If you can get this far without splitting the wooden pieces, you're doing well. 

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Posted by chutton01 on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:18 AM

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 My power poles will carry real electricity and that is a project filled with creativity.


I reread the most recent posts, and I can't seem to find the method of supply to the light on the poles.

Commonly one of the following methods are used:
1) Hollow pole (plastic or brass tube), run the 2 wires from the light thru to under the layout to a power bus.
2) Metal tube, run 1 wire (say DC positive, this is a diode) from the light thru the pole, solder a lead from the other wire ('ground' in effect) to the pole, and the pole serves as the other lead to connect to the power bus (either direct, or by a socket arrangment)
3) Super thin wires, coated with some sort of insulating varnish or equivalent, run down the side of the pole and camouflaged (either run in a grove and painted over, or painted to resemble a conduit).
4) Run the power wires from pole to pole, thus the wire function as 'real' electrical power distributing cables.
5) Other (there is ALWAYS an other in Model Railroading - Prior Art is everywhere!)

I can't seem to figure what configuration OldSchool is going for, but apparently it involves sockets at the base of the poles...

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 5:50 AM

There is no fun in buying a bag of plastic power poles. Three commercial power poles with lights at my hobby shop for $35+tax CDN. Mine cost me less than $2 each! My power poles will carry real electricity and that is a project filled with creativity.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:58 AM

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I don't think I could even build one..

That pole is really good. I have never had power poles on any of my layouts. To me they look silly without wires, and wires get in the way, so I do without. 

You're kidding?

A power pole is really nothing more than a horizontal piece attached to a vertical piece, plus some other minor attachments. But, why even build one when there are so many varieties of HO scale power poles available from several manufacturers? In fact, Rapido has manufactured one with power lines attached.

What the OP is building is fine because it is part of a diorama for all practical purposes. He has a somewhat unique interest in designing a working power pole setup that most of us would probably not spend the time necessary to design and build for our own layouts.

But if you really wanted to build your own power poles for your layout instead of purchasing commercially available power poles, that would seem to be among the more simple forms of scratch building.

Rich

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 7:21 PM

Everything I need for three more power poles. I use a large needle nose for two reasons: I have a hard time using smaller ones because of advanced arthritis in my fingers, and the extra weight makes it easy to push stiff wire into the wood (at least for me). The masking tape also makes it easier for me to hold on to the doweling because of arthritis.

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Posted by Bis on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:43 PM
Thanks for the info. Keep up the good work
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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:42 PM

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Build many and prosper ya'll.

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I don't think I could even build one.

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That pole is really good. I have never had power poles on any of my layouts. To me they look silly without wires, and wires get in the way, so I do without.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:34 PM

Used my router to make some soft fluffy softwood sawdust from a piece of kindling. Some of this sawdust will be used as fall ground cover.

 

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 5:08 PM

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What size lumber did you use for the pole and cross bar
 

 
Pole is 1/8" dia dowel about 3.5" long. Crossarm any softwood about 1 3/8" long and cross-section less than 1/8" on either side. A stiff handrail wire (even a staple) can be pushed into the wood and dowel without drilling small holes. 
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Posted by Bis on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 3:56 PM
I am enjoying your post and eagerly waiting the finished product. I really love the power poles. What size lumber did you use for the pole and cross bar or what ever it's called. Thanks
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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 2:39 PM

My little wooden power pole is my free contribution to the model railroader community. Build many and prosper ya'll.

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:33 PM

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 Also got an offer from the hobby shop for a quantity of my wooden power poles. Think I'll opt for a store credit in return. 

The first thing you ought to do is file for a patent so no one steals your technology, unless you feel that those poles have no intrinsic value. The second thing you ought to do is have the hobby shop place a purchase order for those poles and forget about store credit. If the hobby shop plans to sell them at retail, they must certainly have value and you want to protect your intellectual property rights.

 

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:20 AM

Picked up two of the three router bits I need for the base and 100 grit sand paper recommended for Douglas fir. Also got an offer from the hobby shop for a quantity of my wooden power poles. Think I'll opt for a store credit in return.

 

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, November 18, 2017 2:04 PM

LEDs installed on both poles and shrunk tubing with hot blow feature on my butane torch. A little more work and the poles will be ready for the '3-phase' lines.

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Posted by OldSchoolScratchbuilder on Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:31 AM

Junction box platform completed. Includes part of a safety pin, copper decal wrapped around the safety pin, hookup wire loop for strength, and solder. The platform was smoothed on a grinding wheel then painted.

 

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