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Posted by galaxy on Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:37 AM

Morning coffee in the diner..

GOOD THURSDAY MORNING!!!

Today is Thursday, July 11th, 2013!!!

I will light the prayer candles at 9 AM...for those in need..

MAKE IT A GREAT DAY!!!

Straight from the horse's mouth/ Don't look a gift horse in the mouth:

Meaning:

Don't be ungrateful when you receive straight talk or a gift

Origin-the short version:

When you get information straight from the horse's mouth, it means you are suppose to be getting honest, correct, truthful  information.  The phrase comes from the old days when determining how old a horse was was done by looking at its teeth. So, before betting on a horse, people would check its teeth to see how old this horse was. Therefore, anyone who worked around the horse or reviewed it knew how old the horse was and could let the others know. Therefore, the information was acquired, 'straight from the horse's mouth' and not the owner of the horse.

On the other hand, if someone gave you a horse for free, it was considered rude to look in its mouth and check to see how old it was.  Therefore, you were not to "look a gift horse in the mouth."  Today, this means not to question the quality or motive a gift you get from someone.

the longer in depth version:

Proverbs are  'short and expressive sayings, in common use, which are recognized as conveying some accepted truth or useful advice'. This example,  also often expressed as 'never look a gift horse in the mouth', is as pertinent today as it ever was.

don't look a gift horse in the mouthAs horses develop they grow more teeth and  their existing teeth begin to change shape and project further forward. Determining a horse's age from its teeth is a specialist task, but it can be done. This incidentally is also the source of another teeth/age related phrase -long in the tooth.

As with most proverbs the origin is ancient and unknown. We have some clues with this one however. The phrase  appears in print in English in 1546, as "don't look a given horse in the mouth",    in John Heywood's A dialogue conteinyng the nomber in effect of all the prouerbes in the Englishe tongue, where he gives it as:

"No man ought to looke a geuen hors in the mouth."

It is probable that Heywood obtained the phrase from a Latin text of St. Jerome, The Letter to the Ephesians, circa AD 400, which conatins the text 'Noli equi dentes inspicere donati' (Never inspect the teeth of a given horse). Where St Jerome got it from we aren't eve likely to know.

Heywood is an interesting character in the development of English.  He was employed at the courts of Henry VIII and Mary I as a singer, musician, and playwright.  His Proverbs is a comprehensive collection of those sayings known at the time and includes many that are still with us:

- Many hands make light work - Rome wasn't built in a day - A good beginning makes a good ending

and so on. These were expressed in the literary language of the day, as in "would yee both eat your cake, and have your cake?", but the modern versions are their obvious descendents.

We can't attribute these to Heywood himself; he collected them from the literary works of the day and from common parlance. He can certainly be given the credit for introducing many proverbs to a wide and continuing audience, including one that Shakespeare later borrowed -All's well that ends well

Geeked

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:07 PM

howmus
Jeffrey, I think you are very right to have that foot removed.  Hopefully you will be able to walk better with a prothesis than you do now.

Amen! Right now I just drag around a useless dead weight that I can't even stand on if the boot isn't on it. And the boot is worn out!

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Not much happened today. Just a quick shopping trip with my father this morning. This afternoon my Apple IIe computer and it's disk drives got their rubber feet. Many of the original feet were missing do I removed the remaining ones before applying the new ones. Now all the feet are the same size and nothing is sitting cockeyed. Hopefully tomorrow or Friday the new power supply for my mothers old IIe will come in and I can install it. The one in it works but makes a clicking sound like a stove burner heating up. Something in there is getting hot.

I may get some layout work done this week. Problem is I don't really feel like working on it. I think it's time to step back and take a break from it for a while.

Time for me to call it a night. See y'all tomorrow.



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Posted by howmus on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:48 PM

Evenin' folks!

Janie just a slice of the blueberry pie and a cup of decaf.  Mmmmm, did the pie come from the Mennonite farm bakery down the road?  I thought so!  Good, good, good!

Had my appt. with the Dermatologist this afternoon.  She is my favorite doctor of all times!  Not only is she cute as can be (little pettite lady), has great bedside manner, but she actually gave me the following orders I am supposed to follow...  She came in the room and looked at my arms and remarked I had an excellent color tan on them.  She then said they are the color she wants me to have on my legs and upper body as well.  So on sunny days, I am to put on a pair of shorts, take off my shirt, and go out into my back yard and just sit around in the sun for 10 to 15 minutes until the rest of me looks like my arms!  What a great prescription...

On the way home, I tried to find the old shoe store in Canandaigua I used to go to when I was a kid.  Last I knew it was still in business, but couldn't find it.  Traffic was heavy and downtown is completely torn up for some changes on Main St.  Got home and called my sister who assured me the store is still in business and in the same place which is on the other side of the street from where I remember it.  I have to drive up to Canandaigua for a meeting tomorrow so i shall go shoe shopping then.  Need to get some shoes that will fit my feet properly and since the only great shoe store here in town got driven out of business by Mall Wart a couple years ago, I guess I'll go back to buying them in the store I got all my shoes in when I was a kid.

I also stopped and bought the stone blocks on my way home.  Got a dozen of them just guessing how many I would need.  Ends up I can use about 5 more so I'll get them on the way home tomorrow.  I did manage to get the NMRA Division newsletter folded and ready to mail out to those who require snail mail.  They will get mailed tomorrow morning.

Manét has been coughing (working on a hairball I think) so I had to trick him into letting me put the hairball medicine on his front paws.  He is now mad at me....  Blackie will eat it of my finger, but Manét won't touch it so gets it on his paw.  He then runs away shaking his paw hoping to get rid of it.  Finally he licks it off.  I just went in the bedroom where he is now on the bed.  He looked at me very angrily and said, and I quote, "MEEEOW!!!!"

Jeffrey, I think you are very right to have that foot removed.  Hopefully you will be able to walk better with a prothesis than you do now.

Think it is time I called it a day.  my eyelids are getting very heavy. See you tomorrow, "God willing and the creek don't rise".

73

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We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by Lehigh Valley 2089 on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:02 PM

Hey there. 

Got work done on the Mitchell today, and will be getting work done on the B-17G again tomorrow. The paint on it should be dry by then, so I think that I can get some of the detail paint on it tomorrow evening, along with the tail gunner and engine cowlings. 

Night everyone. 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:44 PM

Nothing happened today except a trip to town with my father. First to Market Basket, then the bank then to Wal-Mart where I picked up some sandwich fixings and a loaf of Texas Garlic Toast. An order of some stick-on rubber feet that were made to be used on computer cases came in today and I wasted no time in applying some to the bottoms of the assorted disk drives of my IIe and the Quentin disk drives that were provided by my neighbors father. My van backfired through the exhaust this morning and scared one of the neighborhood dogs so badly the poor thing ran into a fence post and a tree.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:22 PM

I have reported the error.

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Posted by JeremyB on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:11 PM

jeffrey-wimberly

galaxy
JEffrey- why isn't the spell check workign??? I get a garbled error message!!!

Can't help you there. I use the spell checker that comes with Firefox.

I am with Jeff, I use Firefox so have the spell checker with that. Quite a handy little tool sometimes.

Well the weather guessers were off a bit as our storms were little more then some heavy rain and a little bit of thunder and lighting for a few minutes. The clouds did indeed look quite ominous though, and it did look like we were in for a doozy but it didn't amount to much.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:50 PM

galaxy
JEffrey- why isn't the spell check workign??? I get a garbled error message!!!

Can't help you there. I use the spell checker that comes with Firefox.

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Posted by galaxy on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:42 PM

Sorry about the foot Jeffrey...desen't seem funny when the check out lady at my Dr.s office asked if I "had to have it cut off" Regarding my hip as  a joke!

JEffrey- why isn't the spell check workign??? I get a garbled error message!!!

Well, 2 Xrays later and some different pain killers to see what is what with the hip...The DR also wants to check the Arthritis levels and locations there too via pictures...so took the Xrays.

RE my right hand: gonna get a electrical nerve transferance test done the 23rd. That will tell us how much impulse is getting thorough. WHen I was about age 7, I broke shattered and dislocated an elbow. NOw I am racking my brains as I though it was the left one i broke, but could have been the right one, the one giving me troubles now. so it coud be coming back to haunt me.

Dinner was roasted  chuck roast, cauliflower, zucchini, yellow squash and caesared noodles.

Tomorrow is another day.

Geeked

-G .

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:45 PM

Sir Madog
Jeff - that´s horrible news! Petra´s and my prayers are with you, my friend!

Well it seemed pretty horrible to me five or six years ago but it's something that has to be done. It's gotten to the point that it is starting to adversely effect my health. I can't put up with these seemingly constant infections anymore. It has to go.

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Posted by JeremyB on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:18 PM

Jeff: Very sad to read the news on the foot. Im sending healing and thoughts your way.

Ha-vent been in as I had some business to attend to on the phone, was on it pretty much all day. Right now we are under a severe t-storm watch and things look like they will be getting very hectic in the next few hours. Temps is going to drop from 86 to 60 in only a matter of hours. We have had alot of rain this year but not any decent storms. I don't want the rain Toronto got the other day, only two days and I will be in Toronto for the INDYCAR race.

Will be back in later,,,, I hope...........Stick out tongue

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 12:47 PM

Jeff - that´s horrible news! Petra´s and my prayers are with you, my friend!

Good Evening Gang!

I am feeling bad for not participating in the Diner discussion as much as I would love to. I try to keep up, but I do miss a lot, though. I hope things will ease up by Sept. 22nd - our election day.

Prayers for all in need!

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Posted by Packer on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 12:06 PM

afternoon guys

Been busy as of late. I did finally get those rapido cars I mentioned earlier. They are really nice and work pretty good out of the box. I need to get some more kadee #5s to stick in 2 of them. The junk couplers already started breaking. I also need to pick up a decent F40PH. I'd prefer a Kato or even a Kobo if I could find one.

 

Jeff, my thoughts are with you

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2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.

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Posted by Cox 47 on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:50 AM

Good afternoon All...Its a T-storm here...just what we needed...With the fair going on....I'll have a Ham Salad sandwitch,chips and diet Coke please  Thank You...

Jeff You are in my prayers...please keep us updated...

I added 2 more backdrop buildings this AM..

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Gonna run some trains now...You All have a good one...Jerry

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:40 AM

pascaff*
  Jeff  - if you get the foot amputated, will you get a prosthetic one? If so will you have more mobility? I hope so.

Well that's the plan. We told them a prosthesis would be a requirement, not an option. I know there's going to be a period of physical therapy to go with it.

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Posted by pascaff* on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:34 AM

 Morning All, well it is still morning out here.

  Currently 68 with an expected high of 95. Busy day off for me. I have one load of laundry going, and just about to start another. Have to vacuum upstairs, and clean the bathrooms up here. Spray for ants and other critters downstairs, inside and out, and clean the coffee maker.

   I also plan on wiring feeder wires for the tracks I finished laying a week ago, wiping down the rails and running some trains. I also want to do some scenery w**k and maybe w**k on a building kit or two.

  Jeff  - if you get the foot amputated, will you get a prosthetic one? If so will you have more mobility? I hope so.

  Galaxy  - hope the doc can give you some relief for your hip.

    Prayers to all in need. 

  Paul

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Posted by howmus on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:31 AM

Mornin'......  Uh, Afternoon folks!

Zoe, I'll have a BLT without the T, some curly fries, and a large Dr. pepper for lunch.  What?  Because I don't like tomatoes....

Been out and about and solved a few other problems already today.  Took a car full of old equipment from camp over to the recycling center, came home and answered a call from a Scouter who is looking for a councilor for his son to do RR Merit Badge.  After playing phone tag for a couple days we finally linked up and set a time out at the Museum to get it done.  then assembled 25 copies of the Division newsletter that need to be mailed out to our members who still live in the 19th. century.  Have a Dermatologist appt. mid afternoon, and then while I am in Canandaigua I plan to stop at an old fashioned shoe store there to get fitted for some proper foot ware for use out at the museum.

May stop and buy the blocks of stone on my way back home if the liquid sunshine hasn't arrived again.

Galaxy, good luck with the doctors appointment!

Jeffrey, I'm thinking you might just be able to get around better and feel better after the foot is removed...  Hope all goes well for you.

Later!

73

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Posted by galaxy on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:56 AM

Well

I finally get an appt. to see my Dr. about my hip. Rested it all day sat, sun and mon, and yesterday went grocery shopping, about wore it out. SO today at 11 AM I see him. GOod.

Best get ready coming soon!

Later all.

Geeked

 

-G .

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:39 AM

Good morning everybody .... Coffee and a donut please. 

Jeff ..... You mentioned you will be needing amputations above the ankle, and I felt very sad to read that. If there is anything any of us diners can do for you, let us know. Your KFC story reminds of one of ours. 

Todd said he has experiences with a kin of the lady in KFC, and so have we. This is in a crowded airport restaurant, and the experience is yet another reason to avoid flying. Airlines don't serve meals on most flights, and so passengers grab food before boarding their planes. There were lots of other passengers changing planes in the Memphis airport as we were doing, and they all wanted to pick up food. We placed our order for sandwiches, and we stood in a very crowded corner awaiting our carry-out order. 

Well. You guessed i. Along came the KFC lady's kin, a rude, pushy, obese lady who was quite indignant about there being other people who had the audacity to purchase food in her space at her time. I think she bumped into everybody in the crowded location as she walked up to the counter to place her order. 

She bumped into Shelley, and Shelley calmly said to her: " Oh, I remember you. You are the one the world revolves around." 

Next topic.

Johnboy .... Glad you saw some humor in the driving stories. The Russian video was funny as long as I watched it. I think I will not go to Russia to drive. ..... Here in KY, friendly people in oncoming vehicles wave as they pass by. In contrast, when I go to Detroit, drivers wave with only one finger. 

Grand daughters are here until Saturday. This week we take them to church VBS each evening. Shelley and I are helping out. She teaches, and I do miscellaneous stuff as needed. The kids are having fun and learning good things. 

With our young visitors, I have little layout progress to report. I have been working on backdrops for my layout extension. I'm blending together backdrops from different manufacturers, and that means many clouds are ones I paint myself. 

Happy model railroading! 

GARRY

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:30 AM

Good morning. It's 79° with 91% humidity. The high will be 98°.


I was very tired yesterday and went to bed early. Woke up around 1am and realized I had the computer on. Went through the usual tabs and made a reply here and there then shut it down and went back to bed. Woke up at 7 and started my day. I'm feeling OK after yesterdays little KFC adventure. No pain anywhere.  No plans for today. I may just watch some movies.



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Posted by TMarsh on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:04 AM

Good Morning!!!

Hm, always wondered what P’s and Q’s was all about. Still not sure but if I had to say, I’d lean toward either of the first two.

Coffee and….um, you know I’ll have the Cousin Raymond Special, over medium, ham and oh I’ll take the biscuit please. Thanks.

Scattered showers and thunderstorms, mainly before 1pm. Partly sunny, with a high near 88.

Politicians create a law to alleviate us from being pestered and hounded on the phone by people calling about things we may not even be interested in but once again, manage to exclude themselves. Imagine that.

Jeff- I have shared a buffet many times with the kin of that women you dealt with. Must run in the family. Luckily I’m stable on my feet. I couldn’t determine whether you actually fell to the floor, it almost sounds like you did not. I hope not. I’ve also learned that the type of person she was, you’d be wasting your time even saying anything because somehow she’d have everything she could think of your fault.

Inch- Don’t know if you’ll get this before you get back. Well the way things have gone for me lately it doesn’t surprise me at all (chuckle).  This is a crazy busy month for me but ordinarily Wednesday would have been the BEST day for you to have free. Eeeexcept this Wednesday of course. The owner of the restaurants’ son is in from Norway and he bought him and all his brothers Cardinal tickets and they are going…..today/tonight. So, he needs me to w*rk for them cause his other son out of 3 is the guy that wo*rks during the week and therefore….has no one to cover but me. So since I'm up front I have to go in even earlier to get the front all ready. Usually I don’t have to go in that early. I actually forgot until like Saturday when they reminded me. He said something a month ago and I guess I slept since then cause I forgot all about it. Age and too many things going onWhistling. Anyway, don’t get rid of my number, you just never know. Tell Mother me an Brenda say congratulations on the President-ship. I’m sure Brenda could tell her many a discouraging story about that particular position, but apples to oranges organizations though.

Hey, I guess that makes Inch the First Gentleman. We should discuss his hair style some day in honor of his new position in so-sigh-a tee.Yes

 WElp, gotta get another load of materials and get back to said apartment and all before I have to get ready for w**k. Since I’m up front tonight I’ll have to pay special attention to my appearanceWhistling Laugh. Plus I have to get things ready AND they already have reservations. Hey, at least I’ll be in the A/C tonight.    

Ya’ll have a good day, ya hear!!!!

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:57 AM

Good Morning

All kind of dull and very humid out today...currently sitting at 74F feeling like 94F...about 95% humidity...yuck...

Getting a few things done chorewise and then off to the mall to meet the gang...and then train time....

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Posted by Lehigh Valley 2089 on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:31 AM

Good morning. 

Because the paint on the B-17G requires a two day drying period, I won't be touching it for a little while. While waiting, will be getting some college stuff wrapped up this morning and may get a start on the B-25J Mitchell. I'm real excited as to how that will turn out. 

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Posted by galaxy on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:13 AM

morning Coffee in the diner...

GOOD WEDNESDAY MORNING!!!

Today is Wednesday, July 10th, 2013!!!

I will light the prayer candles at 9 AM for those in need...

MAKE IT A GREAT DAY!!!

Mind your P's and Qs:

Meaning:

Be on your best behaviour; be careful of your language

{Ps and Qs are just the plurals of the letters P and Q. There is some disagreement amongst grammarians about how to spell Ps and Qs - either upper-case or lower-case and either with or without an apostrophe. You may see the phrase as 'mind your p's and q's' or 'mind your Ps and Qs' or 'mind your P's and Q's' or (less often) as 'mind your ps and qs'. We've opted for Ps and Qs.}

Doubts also exist as to the original meaning. Francis Grose, in his 1785 edition of The Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, defines it like this:

"To mind one's P's and Q's; to be attentive to the main chance."

Origin:

The date of the coinage of 'mind your Ps and Qs' is uncertain. There is a citation from Thomas Dekker's play, The Untrussing of the Humorous Poet, 1602, which appears to be the earliest use of the expression:

Afinius: ...here's your cloak; I think it rains too. Horace: Hide my shoulders in't. Afinius: 'Troth, so thou'dst need; for now thou art in thy Pee and Kue: thou hast such a villanous broad back...

'Pee and Kue' in that citation seem to be referring to a form of clothing, but that is somewhat ambiguous. It is also not clear that the 'Pee and Kue' in Dekker's work are the same as those in 'mind one's Ps and Qs'. Dekker later used the term in West-ward Hoe, a joint work with John Webster, 1607:

At her p. and q. neither Marchantes Daughter, Aldermans Wife, young countrey Gentlewoman, nor Courtiers Mistris, can match her.

In that piece it is less apparent that 'p. and q.' refer to a form of clothing.

So, both the spelling and meaning of the phrase are debatable. Now we come to what is really uncertain - the derivation. Nevertheless, it is one of those phrases that many people are sure they know the origin of. When such folk are pressed, what they usually mean is that the person they first heard explain the origin had made a random choice from the list of proposed derivations below. As no one knows the origin I'll just list the suggestions - 'mind your Ps and Qs' probably derives from one of these:

1. Mind your pints and quarts. This is suggested as deriving from the practice of chalking up a tally of drinks in English pubs (on the slate). Publicans had to make sure to mark up the quart drinks as distinct from the pint drinks. This explanation is widely repeated but there's little to support it, apart from the fact that pint and quart begin with P and Q.

2. Advice to printers' apprentices to avoid confusing the backward-facing metal type lowercase Ps and Qs, or the same advice to children who were learning to write. I've never heard any suggestion that anyone should 'mind their Ds and Bs' though, even though that makes just as much sense and has the added benefit of rhyming, which would have made it a more attractive slogan.

3. Mind your pea (jacket) and queue (wig). Pea jackets were short rough woollen overcoats, commonly worn by sailors in the 18th century. Perruques were full wigs worn by fashionable gentlemen. It is difficult to imagine the need for an expression to warn people to avoid confusing them.

'Pee', as a name for a man's coarse coat, is recorded as early as 1485, so it is possible that that is what Dekker was referring to in his 1602 citation. If so, that usage long predates all others and we have the definitive origin of 'pee and kue'. 'Kue' or 'cue' as the name of a man's wig isn't known until well after 1602 though, so it still isn't certain what Dekker meant by it.

4. Mind your pieds (feet) and queues (wigs). This is suggested to have been an instruction given by French dancing masters to their charges. This has the benefit of placing the perruque in the right context - as long as we accept the phrase as being originally French. However, there's no reason to suppose it is from France and no version of the phrase exists in French.

5.  Another version of the 'advice to children' origin has it that 'Ps and Qs' derives from 'mind your pleases and thank-yous''. That is widely touted as an origin but seems to me to be a back-formation, i.e. an explanation fitted to explain the phrase after it was coined in some other context. 'Pleases and thank-yous' doesn't appear to lead to 'Ps and Qs'.

 

So, pay nothing and take your choice. For what it's worth, my virtual two-pennys worth goes to 2,that is,  the advice to children who were learning to write. But one can only assume.

MAKE IT A GREAT DAy!

 

Geeked

 

-G .

Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:32 PM

Evenin' folks!

Janie, I'll have that last piece of strawberry rhubarb pie sitting over on the counter with a nice big scoop of vanilla ice cream on it and a cup of decaf .  That should do me I think...

Johnboy, great movie....  I have seen some of those drivers on I-95 I think.  Amazing that some of those didn't result in death!

Went out to camp to harass, ah spy on, uh, visit... (Yep that's the correct word) my troop today.  They are having a great week so far and I heard some good comments from staff about them as well.  Also had a Cookiewich while I was out there.  A Cookiewich is two cookies with a big slab of ice cream in between rather like an ice cream sandwich only a lot better.  Also bought a new leather Camp Babcock Hovey belt while I was there.  Brought a load of old electronics to recycle as well.  Will need to do that before lunch tomorrow as I have a Dermatologist Appt. early afternoon in Canandaigua.

When I got home from camp I left the windows open in the PiP to keep the temperature in the car down while I was "Cold Soaking" before charging (Cold Soaking is letting the batteries cool down before hitting them with current... Better for the life of the batteries I hear).  Got sat down here at the computer and looked outside and a wild rain storm was rumbling through.  Ran out, jumped in the car, push start, and closed the windows.  Inside of the car and I were pretty well soaked by that time.  I plugged it in after the storm passed.  Will unplug before I go to bed.

I'm hoping next week to have some time to get back to model railroading...  Starting to get upset with my current schedule which has no time at all for the hobby!

Prayers for all in need!

73

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:58 PM

Heartland Division CB&Q

Some of this talk about bad drivers on congested highways, reminds me of why I like western KY. There is not much highway traffic here.

Watch out for the buffalo, however.

 Especially the bull!

Whistling

Hi gang,

i had a few laughs over your descriptions of some of the drivers you have encountered. So I thought about this, that had been sent to me awhile ago and just had to share it with you.

Glad we are here and not there.

 
Check this out!  The Russians drive around with dashboard cameras.  After seeing this video, you'll
understand why.  To get the full feeling, when the video player comes up, put it in full screen mode, sit
back and be glad you only have to drive in Canada...and/or the U.S.A.
 
 

Johnboy out................... and still laughing,,,, But I am parked

from Saskatchewan, in the Great White North.. 

We have met the enemy,  and he is us............ (Pogo)

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:39 PM

Good Evening...

95% humidity and 84F right now...hot? Oh yea....

The TO storm dumped more rain in 2 hours than did Hurricane Hazel in one day in 1954....it was just nuts there....

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Posted by Lehigh Valley 2089 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 8:11 PM

Hello! 

Got some furniture back onto the porch today after getting it painted. It will take some getting used to the fact that it is of one shade of blue now because it has had about 2 or 3 shades on it. Also watched Memphis Belle today. I have to say, I really didn't like it that much since it was a bit "glorified". Nothing bad about that, but if I had to chose between that or Red Tails, I would chose Red Tails since it's fighter VS fighter, not a bomber crew finishing it's 25th mission. But the neatest thing about it was the fact that I got to see the inside of a B-17G. Again, THAT was pretty cool. 

By the way, got the olive drab on the B-17 today. Spray painted the first coat on and brush painted the second coat on. There are some light spots, but on well. I kinda like the lighter spots. Either way, the color is deeper and just looks better on the fortress now. 

The Lehigh Valley Railroad, the Route of the Black Diamond Express, John Wilkes and Maple Leaf.

-Jake, modeling the Barclay, Towanda & Susquehanna.

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Posted by inch53 on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 4:16 PM

A late laternoon, Zoe could I have a barley pop please. Well figured out why I had to go with Mother for the oil change. She was pickin up munches n such stuff for Springfield, so she decided, I had to be there to be there n help. She had the list we’d already agreed on last night.Luv n marriage can be so exciting at times, but this was not one of them.
Karl,,,,, no I haven’t, the last time I was that far east was back in the mid 60’s. If I remember right, there’s 8 or 10 stop lights and 9 4-way stops tween Terre Haute Ind and Vandalia ILL, [about 70 mile]. The problem round here is farmers moving equipment from one place to another on 40. Afore 70, that stretch was called the deadliest highway in the country at one time.
MR Beasley,,,,, My cousin Raymond ran the only 24 hour place round here. You could get 2 eggs bacon, ham or sausage, biscuits n gravey, n toast or another biscuit, coffee for a $1.50. Of course it’s long gone now, those were some good times.
I wish the do-not-call list worked better round here,,, got 2-3 trying to sell us a free security system, for just putting a sign in my yard.
TODD,,,, Wed was the only afternoon to myself and Thurs out, I have to take picures of Mother’s swearing at’s. She’s the incoming 18’Th dist. President this year. Me I’m basically along for the ride. I was supposed to be a delegate, but the post didn’t send the paper work in time. So, all I can do is dist or div caucus’s. Oh well, at least I don’t have to be on the floor all the time, but I still get to enjoy the evening activities. I’ll call ya when we get up that ways.
And I’m like you, I will not get in a hurry ta answerer a phone especially if got a bare baby bottom.
 PHONES, we still have a land line, which we have a package deal on. Unlimited long distance n internet, which gets used a lot, most everyone we call is long distance, unless we’re calling local. We also have 3 computers, plus 2 of those black boxes for Netflix n such. $8 is a whole lot cheaper than satellite, which we might watch 9 or 10 channels of the 150 for $60 a month. We also have 3 cells, mine don’t get used much, but the wife n the grandson, don’t think the world will end without theirs.  
Best gets round to some more chore, thoughts for all in need and ya’ll has a gooden

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:57 PM

Good afternoon. It's 91° but feels like 94°. The humidity is 42%.


Just got back from Oakdale a little while ago. The doctor we talked with says he's not qualified to do above ankle amputations but he knows a surgeon who is and he will do it on Medicaid. He set up an appointment for the 18th. He also checked out my left foot which has a couple small pressure ulcers and cut away some callouses around them then prescribed a strange wedge block type shoe that I'm having some difficulty getting used to. Curbs, steps and up ramps are the worst. We stopped at KFC on the way back. Senior citizen discount on the buffet. I was in the buffet line getting the items I wanted when the woman ahead of me suddenly took two quick steps back then reached across in front of me and pushed me back so she could get another roll. Probably the type that backs up in one way traffic to look at the sale items in the store window. I lost my balance and fell back and my tray went flying. I'm only sad it didn't hit her. The food could be replaced. I have to give it to the KFC employees. They were right there to handle the mess and were only too happy to help me with anything I needed. Meanwhile the woman said that it was my fault as I was in the way. She got some very dirty looks from all that had witnessed the incident, especially my step-mother. Oh boy. If looks could kill, well you know the rest of that. My father too was having some trouble keeping his temper about it. But anyway, I just said it was all right. Nobody got hurt. And we went on with our business at the buffet. KFC employees even took our trays to our table.

No plans for the rest of the day. I'll probably just lay back and watch a couple of movies.



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