DigitalGriffin WTHeck does bachmann put a capacitor across the motor terminals for? SERIOUSLY. It messes up BEMF readings because the decoder can't get a good reading on the motors true labor effort through current. They aren't needed for Europe anymore because of the DCC decoder. *sigh*
WTHeck does bachmann put a capacitor across the motor terminals for? SERIOUSLY. It messes up BEMF readings because the decoder can't get a good reading on the motors true labor effort through current.
They aren't needed for Europe anymore because of the DCC decoder. *sigh*
They are required because of DCC.
Rich
If you ever fall over in public, pick yourself up and say “sorry it’s been a while since I inhabited a body.” And just walk away.
The sound modules are shipping.
Your locomotive must be in factory default settings for the sounds to synch!If you've changed anything, return to defaults by setting CV 8 to 8.
Interesting. So do the sound modules install in the tender?
Michael
CEO- Mile-HI-RailroadPrototype: D&RGW Moffat Line 1989
richg1998 DigitalGriffin: They aren't needed for Europe anymore because of the DCC decoder. *sigh* They are required because of DCC. Rich
DigitalGriffin: They aren't needed for Europe anymore because of the DCC decoder. *sigh*
Rich,
No they are NOT. They make it worse.
1. Large Pulse currents spikes are what give the train running at low speed. Some call this kick. This is messed up because the capacitor messes with the current spike.
2. The BEMF measures current draw by the motor and adjust accordingly. You can't get an accurate current draw if there is a capacitor there.
Capacitors were thrown in across motor terminals to comply with european regulations. The old motors used to generate RF because of the track and motor movement. The capacitor helped solve this.
The only reason a capacitor would be needed for DCC is to serve as a keep alive circuit. But it most definitely wouldn't be placed across the motor terminals!
I wish I knew what Bachmanns electrical guy was thinking. I wrote Bachmann personally and on their forum and NEVER once got a reply.
BTW: The CV8=8 thing to get the sound module to work sounds like a Blue Line sound system redux. I'm hoping it's only to reset the sound decoder address. A perfect sound sytem would CAM the wheel. (Standard on BLI Paragon)
I think it's time for a QSI Titan replacement. It just offers so much more in terms of sound.
Bachmann did a good job with a model, but they always mess up somewhere. (ie: Lacking weight (2-8-4, 2-6-6-2), or sound, or plastic gear teeth that last 1 year of regular use before they need replacing) I like Bachmann I really do. I own 10 of them. But they always just fall one important thing short of being "perfect"
Don - Specializing in layout DC->DCC conversions
Modeling C&O transition era and steel industries There's Nothing Like Big Steam!
Motley Interesting. So do the sound modules install in the tender?
THe sound module plugs right into the loco decoder module. Go look at the photos in the Bachmann forums.
Bachmann is a big seller in the UK and EU. They have to comply with the CE EMC requirements and to keep cost under control, all the PC boards are alike.
Only experts who have run model railroad loco companies disagree.
Motley I have decided to get the Bachman EM-1. But heck, thinking about it. Bachman has the tsunami sound module for $119. I'm thinking no way on that, why not get the QSI Titan for $109. ???
I have decided to get the Bachman EM-1.
But heck, thinking about it. Bachman has the tsunami sound module for $119. I'm thinking no way on that, why not get the QSI Titan for $109. ???
Well on Friday my LHS came through and I got my 4 (four) new EM-1's. Talk about an awesome sight seeing 4 EM-1's in a row. I couldn't decide which number to get so I got one of each. Problem solved, no issue with picking a number.
Tom
Modeling the Pittsburgh Division of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad from Glenwood Yard to New Castle Yard following the old P&W Mainline.
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tschwarz Motley: I have decided to get the Bachman EM-1. But heck, thinking about it. Bachman has the tsunami sound module for $119. I'm thinking no way on that, why not get the QSI Titan for $109. ??? Well on Friday my LHS came through and I got my 4 (four) new EM-1's. Talk about an awesome sight seeing 4 EM-1's in a row. I couldn't decide which number to get so I got one of each. Problem solved, no issue with picking a number. Tom
Motley: I have decided to get the Bachman EM-1. But heck, thinking about it. Bachman has the tsunami sound module for $119. I'm thinking no way on that, why not get the QSI Titan for $109. ???
Geeeez Tom, 4 of them. Holy cow that must be awesome!
What sound are you getting? or not...
Motley Geeeez Tom, 4 of them. Holy cow that must be awesome! What sound are you getting? or not...
I haven't decided yet but with the pricing I am debating between the Titan and the Bachmann add-on board. They are very close in price.
These EM-1's run great!
tschwarz Motley: Geeeez Tom, 4 of them. Holy cow that must be awesome! What sound are you getting? or not... I haven't decided yet but with the pricing I am debating between the Titan and the Bachmann add-on board. They are very close in price. These EM-1's run great! Tom
Motley: Geeeez Tom, 4 of them. Holy cow that must be awesome! What sound are you getting? or not...
Very nice. I'm getting the Titan. If you order it from Tony's, it comes with your choice of two speakers free.
I'm hearing that the synching with chuffing sounds is better on the Titan. Also the Tsunami's don't have the articulated steam sounds, only large steam, where the Titan has specific articulated version.
Will the QSI drop right into the tender with no issues? As I understand this loco, the loco is already under control of the on-board decoder.
Bachmann says that both decoders are suppose to be in sync for proper chuff's.
This is not something I will be buying but I am sure some will want to know.
NO, if you install the QSI, it will have to be a hard wire install. You can't just plug it in. As if it was a DCC ready loco.
I don't know how to do DCC installs, so I'm sending this to my DCC install guy. That's what he said will need to be done.
He's also going to install a red LED in the firebox!
Forgot to mention, Dec 15th, The Bach Man said in Bachmann forums that the sound modules are shipping.
The module is around $74.00,
Motley NO, if you install the QSI, it will have to be a hard wire install. You can't just plug it in. As if it was a DCC ready loco. I don't know how to do DCC installs, so I'm sending this to my DCC install guy. That's what he said will need to be done. He's also going to install a red LED in the firebox!
I figured that but had to be sure. Guarantee, someone is going to try and ask questions later.
I posted the same question in the Bachmann forums. Some people jump right into DCC with little or know knowledge.
One person with this loco just ran his on DC and needed about 80 percent on his power pack. That is normal for DCC on board on a DC layout.
running D.C. also.Nice loco right out of the box!!
richg1998 One person with this loco just ran his on DC and needed about 80 percent on his power pack. That is normal for DCC on board on a DC layout. Rich
Whoo! Well, that lets me out, then. But it's still a beauty of a loco.
Tom View my layout photos! http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/TWhite-014/Rio%20Grande%20Yuba%20River%20Sub One can NEVER have too many Articulateds!
So will this run on DC or is it DCC running analog? Not good if that's the case for DC users.
Modeling B&O- Chessie Bob K. www.ssmrc.org
So far, it seems the new value priced sound locos will be on board DCC with an optional sound module. So far, one fellow with the EM-1 has that setup. Right now, no idea on how that can be modified but I know some will want to.
It is common knowledge that most DCC on board are dual mode. They run on DC and DCC. The issue is, some have to turn up the DC power pack quite a lot. Some maybe 50 percent, some higher. Also, do not use a power pack that has pulse power option. It sometimes cause running issues when using DC.
If you buy a loco with dual mode decoder from a private sale, some disable the DC option because it is known to sometimes cause runaway issues when using a DCC controller.
Dual mode decoders where thought up many years ago by the NMRA because they knew some will not have DCC controllers or even want them. It is a second best way to run DCC equipped locos but it works.
Never forget, we are boys playing with toys.
Take time and go to the Bachmann forums. There is one fellow with loads of photos and info on the EM-1.
bogp40 So will this run on DC or is it DCC running analog? Not good if that's the case for DC users.
Yes, it will run on DC.