On my layout I have mainly GN steam and diesel and some CPR and CNR steam and diesel engines. I have added detail to many of the steamers to reflect their Canadian heritage. Number boards, feedwater heaters, bells and enclosed cabs.
I have a collection of pictures of CNR and CPR steam engines and other than the 4-4-0's and 4-6-0's and the 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 switchers I was under the impression that most had all weather enclosed cabs.
I have now received a new collection of Canadian steam engines and it appears that only a few 2-8-0's had the enclosed cabs. The 4-6-2's are a mixed bag, many with the enclosed cab, and lots without.
I am quite surprised to see that the enclosed cabs were not as common on the 4-6-2's and 2-8-0's.
Steamers of 2-8-2 and larger were all enclosed cabs.
If we are discussing plastic locos, what I find more important is the shape of the boiler. A lot of the Canadian road engines had straight boilers, not the tapered USRA type found on most plastic models.
If I were a steam modeler I would find the boiler issue somewhat frustrating. As I said in another thread, I'd probably throw the USRA body shell away and scratch build a new boiler and cab and then add all the detail parts.
But a CNR modeler could get away with a few USRA types on a late steam era layout. The CNR acquired a few USRA 2-8-2s via the GTW.
aloco If we are discussing plastic locos, what I find more important is the shape of the boiler. A lot of the Canadian road engines had straight boilers, not the tapered USRA type found on most plastic models. If I were a steam modeler I would find the boiler issue somewhat frustrating. As I said in another thread, I'd probably throw the USRA body shell away and scratch build a new boiler and cab and then add all the detail parts. But a CNR modeler could get away with a few USRA types on a late steam era layout. The CNR acquired a few USRA 2-8-2s via the GTW.
Effectively, the boiler issue is the most important thing and less easier to modify.
When I'm kitbashing plastic steamer to get canadian prototypes, I find it easier to do thing in reverse. Instead of starting with a specific prototype, I try to find a CNR prototype fitting the plastic model. This have some serious limitations because the suitable models are scarce. However, a few good models that comes to my mind are Spectrum 2-8-0 and Proto 2000 0-8-0. Without too much effort, they can follow almost prototypically the real engines. The now defunct IHC 2-6-0 and 4-4-0 have also been often converted easily in convincing CNR and CPR models. The canadian hobby press often ran articles about these kitbashes around the 90's. I've also seen many people succeed in converting the IHC President's Choice offering in all-weather cab engine. If you search the forum, you'll see a lot of Doctorwayne's conversions of plastic steamer.
I'm curious to see how the future Bachmann 2-6-0 mogul will turn out. It seems to be a good starting point to build various CNR and CPR prototypes. I just hope the mechanism will be up to our expectation.
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. I've also seen many people succeed in converting the IHC President's Choice offering in all-weather cab engine.
You mean like this?
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/msowsun/Trains/2-10-2/?start=all
I think Roger has also done a 2-10-2 kitbash.
Andre
andrechapelon . I've also seen many people succeed in converting the IHC President's Choice offering in all-weather cab engine. You mean like this? http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/msowsun/Trains/2-10-2/?start=all I think Roger has also done a 2-10-2 kitbash. Andre
Thanks Andre, I was exactly refering to this. For sure, it's not a piece of cake!
There were at least a couple of classes of CNR Mikados that had open cabs, including the S-1-f, -g, and -h classes and the aforementioned USRA locos from the GTW (S-3-a,-b, -c)
Here's a brass S-3-a...
and one in plastic (modified Athearn)...
The T-3-a 2-10-2s, purchased secondhand from the Boston & Albany, were fairly conventional-looking USRA locos, complete with open cabs, but the CNR altered their appearance fairly significantly...
Some of the Pacifics and smaller locos may have had straight boilers, but all of the Mikados, 2-10-2s, Mountains, Hudsons, and Northerns had tapered boilers. You can check out the CNR Locomotive Drawings HERE
Wayne
I wonder where you get your information. A lot of the larger Canadian CPR and CNR steamers had tapered boilers.
don7 On my layout I have mainly GN steam and diesel and some CPR and CNR steam and diesel engines. I have added detail to many of the steamers to reflect their Canadian heritage. Number boards, feedwater heaters, bells and enclosed cabs. I have a collection of pictures of CNR and CPR steam engines and other than the 4-4-0's and 4-6-0's and the 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 switchers I was under the impression that most had all weather enclosed cabs. I have now received a new collection of Canadian steam engines and it appears that only a few 2-8-0's had the enclosed cabs. The 4-6-2's are a mixed bag, many with the enclosed cab, and lots without. I am quite surprised to see that the enclosed cabs were not as common on the 4-6-2's and 2-8-0's. Steamers of 2-8-2 and larger were all enclosed cabs.
You may want to investigate further about enclosed cabs, you may be surprised how many were not enclosed, I lived in a C.P.R city on the prairies and I can't remember seeing an enclosed cab, although I'm sure there were a few, the one big complaint from the crew was how uncomfortable they were when it was 45 below zero, (the canvas curtains really didn't keep out those prairie blizzards) but they did enjoy the open cabs in the 100 degree heat of a prairie summer.
don7 I wonder where you get your information. A lot of the larger Canadian CPR and CNR steamers had tapered boilers.
doctorwayne Some of the Pacifics and smaller locos may have had straight boilers, but all of the Mikados, 2-10-2s, Mountains, Hudsons, and Northerns had tapered boilers. You can check out the CNR Locomotive Drawings HERE
Way to go, guys... now I am interested in steam. I looked at the CN loco diagrams and I noticed quite a few tapered boilers, although they're not exactly like the USRA type.