The Coffee Shop (a place to chat) Est. 2004

[JimRCGMO]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy

Hey all the layout buildings stoped for the day looks as I Fergied myself again got my thumb too close to the busness end of the [censored][V]rasp I was using,oh well a bit of "meat" in that part of the rockwork no serious damage done just lifted a flap of skin [xx(][xx(][xx(][V] I think I'm just going to plan for a while translated sit down reading back issues of mr.I'm still having troubles visualizing where buildings and track need to go .It sucks working alone on the layout I tend to work better in groups oh well,will try to stop by later.Rob

Rob, they had an article in MRR (in the past year or two) that talked about making copies of the sides of your buildings and taping those together to visualize how the buildings would look/fit, or if you'd need to kitba***hem to fit in the space. If you have a copier (cheap or free) to use and a little time, you could try that. Might allow you to try out things before you have to do more shaping (of the foam or your thumb).[;)][tup] Don't forget to tend to that skin flap (peroxide, ointment or whatever).

Blessings on your healing and your planning,

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[JimRCGMO]

Good afternoon, all! Zoe, could I have a mocha frappacino, please?

I think my comment slipped under the radar... I'll re-phrase it with the original part I was teasing/punning about:

QUOTE: Originally posted by philnrunt


Der- I think they lost the bomb off Spain in '66 if my memory serves me right. Also, I just read a few months ago about the one lost off Tybee Is, Ga. We can land a man on the moon, but this bomb is unrecoverable because its under 10' of mud. If it were a sunken gallion with 50 million in gold, I'll bet someone could move 10' of mud to get it! When we are down there, if it comes floating up on the beach, I'll try to get a pix of it.

Phil, my metric conversion is a bit rusty. One galleon = ? in metric?? [}:)][;)]

Note, that is galleon (ship), *not* gallon (measurement). [}:)][;)][:D]Didn't mean to get a metric-English argument going![;)] Was trying to make a pun instead.[%-)][oops][sigh]

Does anyone know if the Walthers #5 switches have an equivalent switch (size, layout of rails, etc.) from Peko, Atlas, or others? Trying to find the right size switch to check my plan for the layout design.[?]

It feels like Robert is peeking between the fence pickets with his very short posts. Robert, are you playing hide-and-seek with us? [;)]

Well, back to work time. Sounds like some of you are getting some work, done on your layouts - that's good!

Blessings,

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[trolleyboy]

Hey all the layout buildings stoped for the day looks as I Fergied myself again got my thumb too close to the busness end of the [censored][V]rasp I was using,oh well a bit of "meat" in that part of the rockwork no serious damage done just lifted a flap of skin [xx(][xx(][xx(][V] I think I'm just going to plan for a while translated sit down reading back issues of mr.I'm still having troubles visualizing where buildings and track need to go .It sucks working alone on the layout I tend to work better in groups oh well,will try to stop by later.Rob

[trolleyboy]

Train wreck the only problem with the measurement thing is that in 10 years everyone willprobably be using metric the US is one of the few countries not using it.Besides your govt. already parially using it anyway if you watch the news the US in Iraq are always talking about howmany kilometres distant the enemy is etc,also most auto compaies are using metric nuts'n'bolts.As the old saying goes when in rome do as the romans do.Take it from me it's always the toughest to convert the first generation to metric,myself I see and understand both systems as I was in grade school when we (Canada converted)so I had three years of school in the old way and metric the rest of the way.Kids here now give you a *** look if you start talking gallons "n" inches etc Around here wood measurments are the only thing that's still not metric,some things do die hard. Rob

[Anonymous]

School time again!!![V]

Anyway, as for the surform, I found it didn't remove the foam as fast as I wanted it too, so used a keyhole saw instead, along with a wood rasp, and now a chainsaw. I wanted to have the blasted rock look, so I even tried blasting with firecrackers, but the results weren't very good, so I ended up fixing it with the keyhole saw.

That metric conversion stuff is too confusing, lets make everything the American system, where we have 4 ways of identifying drill bits: Letter, Number (wire gage), fractional, and of course, decimal. In several decades, everyone would be on the standard scale of confusion, instead of everything on base 10 measurments.[%-)]

Missed the game last night, too bad, I was looking forward to seeing the commercials.

Better go,
Greg

[Anonymous]

Hello....Goodbye

Robert

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon everyone before I'm up to my armpits in pink foam reisue thought i'd stop in for a second.Zoe a low cal carrot muffin and a tea to go please.Two questions for any who may answer. Have any of you used rail graphics or a like company for custom decals. I don't know of anyone with an alps printer and I would like to design a logo for the trolley line on my layout.Next has anyone seen the A&P billboards from Blair line it was offered in HO&N in the samw assortment as their diecut SilverCup bread and a few others. None of them seem to be ontheir websight anymore.Cape Jim 3.2litre to the US gallon seems about right,the old Imperial would be in the 4 litre range . Well everyone have a great afternoon,one of us should phone Ed he doesn't seem to be up yet to much guacamole I guess[:-^][:O] Talk to you all soon. Rob[:D]

[der5997]

Tom:That's quite the dilema! Sure beats teh current Subway Ad where the couple are all taken up in watching a Subway ad while house shopping, and don't notice the Heavy Metal Band next door!
Saw program on the History Channel a week or three ago about the massive mines that sappers planted in select parts of the Low Countries in WWI. Turns out several of these explosive-filled caverns are still there. No-one really knows what to do with them, and since they are believed to be flooded, they think there is minimal risk. We are talking multiple tens of thousands of tons of explosives all set to go off, and just on hold, as it were. Prime farm land now. Like to buy some?[}:)]
***:

QUOTE: Der John, the beer survived outside last night, the wolf didn't care for the brew. He prefers Molson.

How very sensible[:D] (Modern translation="like, yeh!", if I'm hearing the Robatasin ads correctly[(-D])

QUOTE: big storm coming Thursday,

Thursday so far is just a continuation of the possible showers from Wednesday, but we shall see what the TV weatherguesser says about Friday this evening . Maybe it'll be your Thursday storm. Did they predict rain or snow with that?
Jim,

QUOTE: Phil, my metric conversion is a bit rusty. One gallion = ? in metric??

That would depend old chap on whether it's an Imperial gallon, or the counterintuitative US kind @20% less[:D] If Imperial, I think the answer is 4 litres, give or take a smidgen. So, 3.2L for the US, if I'm right on the Imperial conversion.
Mind you, there are those who say the only Imperial conversion of consequence was Constantine, and others who would say that was not an unalloyed blessing, but that's another story.[%-)]?
High cloud moving in, so our brilliant sunshine is going, and I had better do the same.
TTFN

[Anonymous]

Morning/Afternoon everyone.

Just woke up about an hour ago... I must admit that the second half of the game yesterday wasn't worth watching really. I just watch the game for the commercials anyway.... and even then they weren't as good as they were a couple years ago. At least I had like 6 beers and some good brauts. Well I think I am off for a while.... I think I'm going to take a nap for a while.... run my train around my oval a couple times and then watch some TV.

Have a good day everyone.

[JimRCGMO]

Good morning, Coffee Clubbers (okay, mid-day for some of us!),

I'll have a cup of joe to go for now, Zoe. And a cup of Ed's OJ here.

Phil, my metric conversion is a bit rusty. One gallion = ? in metric?? [}:)][;)]

Tom, I'm looking to use #6 turnouts for the mainline and turns off of the mainline. But on the switching side of the module (back), will need the #5's or #4's.

Judging from all the trips that various CC'ers make, maybe we should all invest in either HD, Owen-Cornings, or the other foam manufacturer... Hmmm![:-^][:-^]

Morning at work has been so-so; some chaos, one irate guy who wanted what he wanted, when he wanted it, and another person in crisis. Still trying to make a dent in the paperwork. What's the saying? "A job's not done until the paperwork is done..."[;)]

Back to work and then lunch (Yay!). Hope all you workers-on-layouts get lots done today.

Blessings on your day and your endeavors (almost said enterprises, but some of us might mistake that for a show[:)]),

Jim in (drippy, rainy) Cape Girardeau

[grayfox1119]

Good afternoon everyone.....yet another beautiful day here in central Mass highlands, 51 degrees, 65 in the sun, partly cloudy skies, no wind, this has been one nice spell of weather here in the Northeast. But, I fear it is coming to an end on Wednesday and Thursday.
Don't know if I will get to the train room today, there is a lot of cleanup to do after the great Super Bowl party here.

Tim, I agree with you on the pregame show, I was very, very impressed with the program, a class act for sure, the best I have ever witnessed!!! Great job Jacksonville, Florida!!! You did yourselve and America prowd !!!!!

Tom, Deon got the MVP, a Georgia lad!! I am happy for him and the state of Georgia, he deserved it. I see you travelled up to Mass quite a bit for work in the 80's, if you ever get back up this way Tom, please stop in, I live just one town West of Worcester, off route 9. Worcester is the biggest city west of Boston, about 45 miles.

Tim, Brady did California proud didn't he? His dad took ill, his grandmother had just passed away, playing against a great Eagles's team.

Der John, the beer survived outside last night, the wolf didn't care for the brew. He prefers Molson.

Time to get a tan, the bird feeders are empty, big storm coming Thursday, better fill them now while I can still walk to them, only knee deep now,

[trolleyboy]

Good morning everyone I'm just stopping in before I make my run to the HD for more pink board.Thanks for the tips on the surforms think I'm going to keep ginsuing away it works for me and you feel lke one of those guys in a bruce lee movie [B)][:D][X-)][:-,][oops][xx(]BTW for you normal scalers out their if you are thinking about the new Athearn SD-70's that are comming out this may give you pause.Some bright corporate beancounter cut some production costs. It's apparently got a great shell excellant detail you know the whole 9 yards,but apparently it's powered by a three pole moter so john your shop vac will likely be quieter and run better too. This is just a head shaker[:(!][8][8]Talk about putting yourself behnd the competition,maybe Athearn no ,longer wants to be in "n" scale and if this loco doesn't sell this will be thier excuse to go back to only "HO". Der here's another munition story: my brother in laws family is from Holland when he went back to visit his grand parents in Rotterdam(HE was 8 at the time)he and his Dutch cousins were told not to play under the trees in the back yard. Apparently Granddad had a small picket iron fence under the one tree surrounding the tail fins of an unexploded 5000lb bomb left over from the war. The disposal guys won't touch it as it's in the middle of a fairly dence neighbour hood and its well burried in the ground.I don't know about you but I'd be moving.As it goes I guess Grampa puts a coat of black paint on the exposed part to keep it from rusting.I wonder if this would be a selling point for the house or perhaps an inlaw siute[:-^][:-^] gotta run the orange god of home improvement is calling. Later Rob

[der5997]

Good Morning Coffe Shop People: A little cooler overnight, but still bright and sunny. That high pressure is going to be with us a day or two longer it seems. We can use the sunshine, it cheers almost everyone up![^]
***:

QUOTE: Der John, wolves don't like beer do they??

I've not seen, far less done, studies[(-D], but if they don't, you have to answer as to how modern dogs came to like it. Ok, that's through contact in human situations, easy. But the genetic predeliction, so to speak, is probably in the wolf. Anyhow, I'd keep the beer unopened[:D]
We use our mud room as a winter fridge on the same principle as you use the deck. It's unheated but insulated. We have an electric heater for the washing machine, just in case, on cold nights. Our freezer is out there too, so there is a bit of heat from that, but nothing to circulate it.
TrolleyRob:

QUOTE: Hi all. Ed or any of the other foam scenery guys,is the sureform tool really needed,I've always had luck using a couple of old saw blades and a ginsu knife to do the rough cuts'n'slices.I'll usually add a few rock castings in here or there with hydrocal. Am I being backwards? Just wondering,

I'm with you on the Surform question. I know everyone says have the shopvac handy and file away. Our SV is noisy, especially so in small rooms[{(-_-)}]. I know people say wear ear protection (ear defenders in the UK, a phrase I find so close to ear deafeners that it always gives me pause[:D]) but I'd rather not make the static- seeking dust in the first place. So I carve with a thin bladed box cutter, and fill in with a white glue/sieved sawdust mix. The blade doesn't reach everywhere I want it to, but I doubt a Surform would do any better, probably worse. I figure, but haven't yet tried it, that my precast rock castings will glue onto the sawdust fill just as well as to the foam. I don't use Hydrocal, but the regular plaster from Home Hardware, DAP Bondex in the 2 Kg pack. It has a 20-30 minute set, and I like the "Milk Carton" type pack as it's easy to dispense from with a spoon.
Philr:

QUOTE: We can land a man on the moon, but this bomb is unrecoverable because its under 10' of mud. If it were a sunken gallion with 50 million in gold, I'll bet someone could move 10' of mud to get it! When we are down there, if it comes floating up on the beach, I'll try to get a pix of it.

Don't get too close, or you might fog the film,or toast the digital's electronics![}:)][(-D] I think you are right about the urge for recovery. Without it being armed, the urgency is not great. And by now, the thing is technically unuseable. It's a whole other debate about how "useable" the thing was in the first place.......but probably we shouldn't go there here.
As to munitions washing ashore, have a look at http://www.nald.ca/CLR/faraway/stories/s7/cover.htm and click on "Contents" in the lower line. When that opens, click on "Out of sight", and "Oops!" These are stories for adult literacy learners, so the style may not be that to which you are used. (If the /s7/ doesn't open shorten the URL to end at stories, and browse though to Reader 7)

QUOTE: And anytime I hear that it tastes like chicken, I just say "Give me the chicken!"

what about "chicken of the sea?" [:-^]
TTFN

[Anonymous]

Good Morning All:

Ed;
I guess you and *** are two happy people with Boston doing so good this year.

I now can sayHOW ABOUT THEM PICK SOXS. I washed a pair of white soxs with a pair of Stephanie's maroon pants. I thought as many times as they had been washed they wouldn't fade, now I have a pair of pink sox to go with the white underware that I washed with red shop towels when I first starting washing clothes (just after Stephanie had her stroke).

Jim:
I use Walthers code 83 switches and Atlas flex-track and have had very good luck with them. The switch tie thickness is .017" less then Atlas but I haven't had any trouble with it. In a couple of places the long wheelbase locos and Walthers passenger cars will bobble up and down but they still stay on the track. No one sees the bobble but me. I am also using Tortise switch machines.

Rob:
I use a pellet rifle on the squirrels, the only thing that is sticking out of the window is about 2" of the barrel. With this rifle I don't have to worry so much about what the pellet is going to hit, if I miss. Another good thing is the fact that my backyard is 200' deep and we have lots of trees. I agree with the other post, if it taste like chicken, I want it to be chicken.

Ya'll have a blessed day and remember SANTA FE ALL THE WAY
Bob

[tomwatkins]

Good Mornin' Everybody,
It's a beautiful morning in the mountains this morning. The coffee is excellent and the schedule is fairly light today.

Ed, are you and the other Bean Town fans happy now? it's been a really good year for Boston. Not being a football fan, I must confess that we watched a movie instead. I did spend a fair amount of time in Mass in the late 80's, traveling up there for work, so I'm glad the Pats won.

This afternoon will be the workday on the club layout. It should be a lot of fun and hopefully we'll get some good stuff done on it.

Luc and Flip, I hope your Ladies get to feeling better very soon. We've had a lot of sickness here in the coffee shop lately. It's time for everybody to be well .

Flip, I'm with you as far as the stuff that "tastes like chicken" is concerned. I've tried quite a bit of it in the past for various reasons ( Dares and bets mostly) and I think I'd rather just have chicken.

Chris, welcome back. Modeling the NKP also sounds good. It's an interesting road with beautiful equipment. There's also a lot of information available on it in MR and MRP thanks to Mr. Koester's interest in it.

Ed, Bacardi and OJ is good stuff. If it has a name, I don't think I've ever heard it. Doesn't matter though, It's just really good.

Paul, I surely do remember Walter Winchell. We are kinda dating ourselves, aren't we. I'm glad the GATS show was a good one.

Der, now that's a real breakfast. As far as I'm concerned, if your going to have breakfast, it might as well be a good one.

JimRCGMO, Been there, done that! There are usually adjustments and changes that have to be made between the layout plan and laying it out full size. Walthers has #5's in their code 83 line. I used a bunch of them in my layout and really like them. They save considerable space compared to a #6 and all my locos and rolling stock, including the 80' Branchline coaches go through them fine. I would use longer turnouts for crossovers though.

Trolleyboy, I find the small surform tool to be very useful for shaping foam after i've done most of the carving with knives. I've got several different styles, but the Surform Shaver, #21-115 is the one I use the most.

I'd better go for now. I've got some errards and odds and ends to get done this morning.
Have a great day, everybody,
Tom

[philnrunt]

Hey all, just catching up from last Thur, so if you don't remember making these comments, thats ok.
TurboOne- I'll gladly keep a spot by the campfire open for you, and all the rest of the CCers camping with me in spirit. You all do the same for me.
Dave9999- That looks like a great site to camp, great pics!
Tom- I knew I could trust you to keep my secret, Bill said you were a pretty good sort.I told Amyjo about posting it (the time I'll pop the question), but she can't access it directly, so I think I'll be safe.
grayfox1119- That story about the lady falling on her dog sounds like one of the Twilight Zones with the ironic twist at the end. Bad Karma!
Tammy- You took the compliment exactly as I hoped you would, and it sounds like you earned it, looks like you've put in your time under the benchwork!
Ed- I'll pass on your good wishes to Amy, and no, she has no direct access to the site, we just talk about it. The other day, I bought some oranges and she asked, Are those from your friend in Mexico? I told her yes, these are from Ed Sunkist. At least I know she pays attention.
Teffy- I'll look for where they repaired the awning, I'll let you know if I find it. And yes, the Mulberry is a rather expensive place, but it's a great place to stay, they treat you like gold. I can't afford the niceest rooms, but even the less pricey are pretty decent, and Amy's worth it. After all, she buys me train cars!
Paul- My aunt and uncle were stationed at Hunter where they met in the late 50's, they got married on Tybee Is and had their reception at the Pirate's House. I only found this out after I had returned from my first trip there in '02. It was neat that we had retraced their steps without knowing it. I get her pralines from the Candy Factory every now and again.
Der- I think they lost the bomb off Spain in '66 if my memory serves me right. Also, I just read a few months ago about the one lost off Tybee Is, Ga. We can land a man on the moon, but this bomb is unrecoverable because its under 10' of mud. If it were a sunken gallion with 50 million in gold, I'll bet someone could move 10' of mud to get it! When we are down there, if it comes floating up on the beach, I'll try to get a pix of it.
And anytime I hear that it tastes like chicken, I just say "Give me the chicken!"
Hang in there, guys and gals!

[TurboOne]

Evening all, just wanted to say the game was great, but the commercials had one that was outstanding. The salute to the military was AWESOME. It was class, done right. Made you proud to be an American. [tup][tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]

Gotta get some sleep,

Tim

[Anonymous]

evening everyone.... just stopping in to say hello and that I Loved the commercial bowl.... well not really loved it because it hasn't been nearly as good as years past..

well it was amazing.... we had a slight dizzling of rain today and I had to wear pants and a jacket today.... of course shoes were only needed when I went to the store.... lol.... not cold enough for shoes.

Have a good night everyone.

[trolleyboy]

Hi all. Ed or any of the other foam scenery guys,is the sureform tool really needed,I've always had luck using a couple of old saw blades and a ginsu knife to do the rough cuts'n'slices.I'll usually add a few rock castings in here or there with hydrocal. Am I being backwards? Just wondering,everyone have a good night its sleepy time.[zzz][zzz][zzz]Rob

[grayfox1119]

Good evening gents.....yes....a dynasty is born!!! The Pats have won 3 Super Bowls in last 4 years, playing as team, not as "individual heros".

Bob, have no fear, the Pats prevailed. Philly is a good team, very physical, and they were ball-hawking, so I am not surprised at the fumbles. But the Pats never give up, they play very well as a TEAM.

Jim, the PC didn't hicup, when I hit submit, I received a "flood" message, to go back and correct. So, I went back and hit submit again, hence two messages of the same thing.

Ed, we have so much food left over, we won't have to shop for three weeks if the food lasts that long. Sorry the meatballs didn't get there, you can't trust those parrots, now they have taken over for the Aflac duck too in those commercials.

Tim, one good thing about being up in the north woods, I can use my entire deck as a refrigerator. The temp today was 43 degrees, so that is ideal to keep things cold, like beer, wine, veggie dip tray, etc. We are so tired right now, that I left all the beer & wine outside over night with wolf guarding the refreshments.....hey Der John, wolves don't like beer do they?? Maybe thats why they howl at the moon on second thought...hmmm?

I hope to get at the train room, but I really have to help Lorraine with cleanup, ugghhh!!

Time for bed, I can barely type, too much excitement with the game......see you guys tomorrow,

[trolleyboy]

Tain wreck thanks for the tip but they are likely an illegal weapon up here,besides I've got nosey retired neighbours on both sides of us[:(!]I actually hit a black one today [xx(][xx(][xx(]backing out of my driveway of all things[:(!][censored]I had just cleaned the car too.The nieghbours cat got an extra snack so guess everyone is happy[:D] Talk to you later Rob

[der5997]

Good just past midnight and no-one else seems to be in....could it be post game party time?
Jim: Kilopascals are a metric equivalent to inches of Hg barometric pressure. The scale - taken from the barometer given to Kris as a leaving pressent from her work, the one with the plaque of thanks for years of service etc but no name because everyone knew who was getting it; how Garrison Keillor is that? - is approximately as follows
93 kps=27.48 "
95 kps=28.06"
98 kps=28.94"
100kps=29.52"
102kps=30.13"
103kps=30.4 " which is where she sits right now
104kps=30.7" which we have never seen here.
Watched an Agatha Christie Mystery "The body in the library" with Kris while the game was on, flipping during commercials to see the score. Caught the last two minutes with the surprise surge by the Eagles, during which time Kris got ready for and went to bed. What with the time outs and commercial breaks that 2 minutes must have been 10!
The embossed place mats are an illusion. The locos are actually punched out holes (train hole punch a Christmas gift a couple of years ago). The holes look 3D when scanned [:8]
The breakfast was on a birthday card from my brother in the UK last December. It was in the shopping list pile, and I remembered seeing it the other day. Glad you liked it.
Must go, it being past bed time. Goodnight all, and God Bless.

[trolleyboy]

Good evening everyone,Zoe's got the black coffee on for anyone who is a lil bleary eyed after their superbowl parties[B)][8)][8)]She's going to decorate a couple of cakes for the Pat's fans.Looks like I'm heading to HD again in the morning to grab another two sheets of pink board, I've pulled up my temp track work as I didn't like the layout of the raised town area's[:(][:(]back to the drawing board,I'm going to put in some new rock work and rough in a road and train bridge,hopefully in another month I'll have the mainline the way I want it.I supose I'm too picky but hey I'm planning on living with this layout for quite a while so I might as well do it right the first time. Ed thanks for the kind words about Heather,we are dealing with what looks like some arthritus issues in a 15 year old break,the Physio keeps her comfy and unless it's really damp the pain is non existant. She's just happy that they don't want or need to rebreak it.Gotta run will try to stop by later. Rob

[Anonymous]

Not much time tonight, I'll keep it short.

Trolleyrob: Two words; 22 short. No one will know the difference unless they actually see you take the shot or burying the squirrel.

Chris: Glad to see you back!!!

Luc: Nice pics, looks like that would be a real pain geting around in that mess

That's about it for tonight, see y'all tomorrow in school, I have more time to chat there, that's kinda sad isn't it?

Greg

[JimRCGMO]

Evening, everyone - just a short cup for now, Zoe!

Well, I'm happy for *** and Ed and all the other people rooting for the Patriots. [:D] Didn't see the parrot commercial again, so couldn't confirm if that was Paul/Tim's parrot in formal 'white tails' attire...[;)]

Oh, I finally got the image for my (modified) layout - and its link - to work properly. Teffy, who makes #5 switches in code 83 (Horribly Oversized)? I'm not ready to tackle laying my own switches (not even laying my own track), so I'm looking for ready-made track. Flextrack, okay. I was figuring on Atlas for the flextrack, unless anyone has other recommendations (no LGB[}:)]).

Looks like we'll be having rain here tomorrow (as well as tonight). No much though, only .05 inches so far, and not expecting much accumulation, either. Teffy, did you send that rain up this way? It's coming up from the panhandle, looks like.[}:)]

Well, better go find my pj's and get ready for [zzz] bedtime.

Blessings and good sleep (for those not staying up with the nightowls)
(well, yeah, blessings on the nightowls, too),

Jim in (slightly wet) Cape Girardeau

[mustanggt]

In your face Philly[:D]

[egmurphy]

How 'bout them Boston Patriots!!


Okay, so it's New England, everyone knows it's really Boston.

It had to figure that a team with a guy named "Brewski" for a defensive captain would win!

Regards

Ed

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by egmurphy

Teffy: ...
Gotta turn this chair around and start watching the game again.

Regards

Ed
...

WHY??

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