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Posted by pcarrell on Thursday, December 7, 2006 6:55 AM

"A day that will live in infamy!"

I probably spelled that wrong, but thats OK.  My brain hasn't woken up yet.

EDIT: Darn, Colby just beat me to it!  But at least we spelled it the same.  Now we both won't feel so bad!

So Luc,......Whats the word?  Is it party time yet?

David, take care of yourself, and stop in when you can.

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Posted by ModelTrainLover on Thursday, December 7, 2006 7:06 AM
lol.. hey Pc. any chance you could check in 2 times a month to Eastern Railfanning?
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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, December 7, 2006 7:21 AM

 Lest We Forget! Dec. 7th, 1941

 The Attack on Pearl Harbor was a surprise aerial attack largely on Pearl Harbor, Oahu, Hawaii, and the US launched by the 1st Air Fleet of the Imperial Japanese Navy of the task force Carrier Striking Task Force on the morning of Sunday, December 7, 1941 (Hawaii time). It was aimed at the Pacific Fleet of the United States Navy and its defending Army Air Corps and Marine defensive squadrons as preemptive war intended to neutralize the American forces in the Pacific in an impending World War II. Pearl Harbor was actually only one of a number of military and naval installations which were attacked, including those on the other side of the island.

Of 8 American battleships in the harbor, the attack resulted in 1 destroyed, 2 sunk at their moorings, 1 capsized, 1 beached and 3 damaged but afloat. With the exception of the Arizona (destroyed), all the others were refloated or righted and 6 (Nevada, West Virginia, Tennessee, Maryland, California and Pennsylvania) were repaired and returned to service. While the Oklahoma, which had capsized, was righted, she was never repaired. Additionally, the attack severely damaged 9 other warships, destroyed 188 aircraft, and killed 2,403 Americans, including 2,335 servicemen and 68 civilians. However, the Pacific Fleet's three aircraft carriers were not in port and were left undamaged, as were the base's vital oil tank farms, Navy Yard and machine shops, submarine base, and power station, as well as the Headquarters Building (home to the intelligence unit HYPO). These provided the basis for the Pacific Fleet's campaign during the rest of the war.

USS California sinking

B-17 bomber after the attack on Hickham Field.

USS Pennsylvania

The forward magazines of the USS Arizona exploded after it was hit by a bomb dropped by Tadashi Kusumi.

USS Utah took a torpedo hit and capsized early in the battle. The wreck remains at Pearl Harbor.

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Posted by ModelTrainLover on Thursday, December 7, 2006 8:38 AM
Leave it to Jeff to get the history in before anyone else.
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Posted by SilverSpike on Thursday, December 7, 2006 8:44 AM

Christmas is only 18 days away.....

Finished up caulking the last two segments of the staging yard track and drilled the ½" hole for the first slow motion switch under the remote turnout. I also wired the whole staging yard section with Scotch Loc connectors and tested out the entire track with my old DC power supply and a loco. Works like a charm!

Philip, I feel good too! Good ole James Brown, gotta love it!

Congratulations Luc!

Bill, thanks for the Pearl Harbor memorial reminder!

David, you are always welcome to come visit us once you get settled into the new digs in Colorado. You know there is usually free Internet connected PC's in public libraries or at schools too. We will miss you and good luck in Aurora, Colorado. Just remember to wear your snow boots and keep warm! I have a friend who lives in Boulder, CO, which is just 35 miles North West of Aurora, or about a 40 minute drive.

Jeff, thanks for the history lesson on Pearl Harbor!

Cheers,

Ryan

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Posted by Cox 47 on Thursday, December 7, 2006 8:54 AM

Good Morning All....Sunny but COLD! here this morning...I'll have coffee and a couple of Krispy Kreams please..Thank You....

Neal...Ditto on that December 7th is a day that we can't forget I have been watching CNN for about a hour and they havn't ever mentioned it !!

Luc...Congrats on the the new Grand Baby! If i had known how much fun Grand kids are i would have had them first....

David....Hope you can rejoin us soon from Colorado....I bet you are going to miss your friend Jeff...

Well i need to go check on Sallie she had a bad night spend most of it in her chair but she is sleeping now.....Jerry

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Posted by pcarrell on Thursday, December 7, 2006 8:54 AM

 ModelTrainLover wrote:
lol.. hey Pc. any chance you could check in 2 times a month to Eastern Railfanning?

Oh I check in a couple times a week.  There's just not much going on, so I don't end up leaving any comments.

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Posted by SilverSpike on Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:01 AM
 pcarrell wrote:

 ModelTrainLover wrote:
lol.. hey Pc. any chance you could check in 2 times a month to Eastern Railfanning?

Oh I check in a couple times a week.  There's just not much going on, so I don't end up leaving any comments.

Hey PC! What's this? TOP and no lunch buffet? Question [?] Big Smile [:D] Whistling [:-^] Chef [C=:-)]

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Posted by LSWrr on Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:04 AM

Good Luck on the move David, look foward to hearing from you soon!

One year ago today I re-enlisted for an indefinate tour of duty.  Little did I know that the 20 year and 30 year tours would be changed to allow us to go 40 years before we are forced to retire.  Anyway I was able to re-enlist on the USS Cod a WWII submarine, and we had a pot luck to remember those that served on this day so many years ago.

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Posted by NeO6874 on Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:08 AM

'morning everyone

 Weather in Cleveland, OH - lotta snow & really cold...

David - I hope you don't lose interest in modelling as you are in the process of moving.  Maybe the local library will be close enough for a walk.  On the bright side - lotsa snow in colorado (well, depending on where you are), maybe you can make a couple of bucks shovelling it off people's driveways - then you'll be able to spend all that money on keeping your trains rolling.  Maybe you'll even live close to the LHS over there

 

FDR's Pearl Harbor Address to the Nation, 8 Dec, 1941: 

Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Senate, and of the House of Representatives:

Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 -- a date which will live in infamy -- the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in the American island of Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to our Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. And while this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or of armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time, the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday, the Japanese government also launched an attack against Malaya.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Guam.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.

Last night, the Japanese attacked Wake Island.

And this morning, the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense. But always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory, and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph -- so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7th, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire.

 

Quite a powerful speech, if you ask me.  I've only ever heard the first bit ("Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 -- a date which will live in infamy --"), but the rest is probably just as important... FDR either had good speech writers, or was good at writing his own... either way, it seems he was quite effective as a leader that people could rally behind... now if only those trends would have continued with other Presidents (ie having the charisma that FDR had to rally the American people)....

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Posted by pcarrell on Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:14 AM
 SilverSpike wrote:
 pcarrell wrote:

 ModelTrainLover wrote:
lol.. hey Pc. any chance you could check in 2 times a month to Eastern Railfanning?

Oh I check in a couple times a week.  There's just not much going on, so I don't end up leaving any comments.

Hey PC! What's this? TOP and no lunch buffet? Question [?] Big Smile [:D] Whistling [:-^] Chef [C=:-)]

Sorry 'bout that!  Had to run for a minute!  Here you are!

Chinese OK?

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Posted by SilverSpike on Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:23 AM

Yes!!!! Chinese for lunch today! Yum!!!! Thanks PC!

Dan, thanks for sharing the speech, he certainly was a leader of men!

 

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Posted by Hoople on Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:34 AM
Just a little early for lunch isn't it?
Those Egg Rolls look good tho....
My school gets out on the 19th (I believe) and I can't wait, because I can work on the Glacier Gravel Co., and then I can actually start working on scenery.
A common topic of this week is What train do you want to see under the tree?
Personally, I asked for an Athearn Big Boy (thank goodness for my LHS' sale)
And if not that, a digitrax zephyr and a Tsunami Heavy Steam.
I can't wait till we get our tree. It will be train CITY when we do.
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Posted by pcarrell on Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:44 AM

Hoople,

That all depends on where you are and how long you've been up.  It's almost 11am here and I've been up since 5am and I haven't eaten yet today.  I'm ready to eat!

Don't worry, we'll save some for you!

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Posted by SilverSpike on Thursday, December 7, 2006 12:47 PM
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Hoople,

That all depends on where you are and how long you've been up.  It's almost 11am here and I've been up since 5am and I haven't eaten yet today.  I'm ready to eat!

Don't worry, we'll save some for you!

I bet it's close to lunch time on the west coast now!

Oh.... and BUMP! See ya later page two......

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Posted by grayfox1119 on Thursday, December 7, 2006 1:01 PM
 NeO6874 wrote:

'morning everyone

 Weather in Cleveland, OH - lotta snow & really cold...

David - I hope you don't lose interest in modelling as you are in the process of moving.  Maybe the local library will be close enough for a walk.  On the bright side - lotsa snow in colorado (well, depending on where you are), maybe you can make a couple of bucks shovelling it off people's driveways - then you'll be able to spend all that money on keeping your trains rolling.  Maybe you'll even live close to the LHS over there

 

FDR's Pearl Harbor Address to the Nation, 8 Dec, 1941: 

Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Senate, and of the House of Representatives:

Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 -- a date which will live in infamy -- the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in the American island of Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to our Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. And while this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or of armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time, the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday, the Japanese government also launched an attack against Malaya.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Guam.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.

Last night, the Japanese attacked Wake Island.

And this morning, the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense. But always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory, and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph -- so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7th, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire.

 

Quite a powerful speech, if you ask me.  I've only ever heard the first bit ("Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 -- a date which will live in infamy --"), but the rest is probably just as important... FDR either had good speech writers, or was good at writing his own... either way, it seems he was quite effective as a leader that people could rally behind... now if only those trends would have continued with other Presidents (ie having the charisma that FDR had to rally the American people)....

 

NeO6874:  Yes, that was quite a speech, but there are some erros in part of the story, so I don't know where you copied it from. For instance, Midway was NOT attacked the next day after Pearl Harbor attack, that was months later. If you remember the movie Midway, you will remember that the Carrier Yorktown was repaired at Pearl Harbor in 24 hours after being severely damaged in battle of Coral Sea, and thought to be impossible to be repaired in time to join the battle of Midway. Many people at that time wanted America to stay out of both wars, but as you can see , history teaches us time and time again, freedom comes at a price, and those who do not learn from history...will be doomed by it.

TRAIN NEWS: As some of you may have seen in the general forum thread, I unpacked and set up the train set that I received from my #3 son last Christmas, a Collector Series Wolf Moon Express which comes with a Bachmann 2-6-0 ON30. The train ran about 10 times around the track with no issues. I left the room to answer a phone call, and when I returned the loco had stopped, it had the gears in to the piston ***'y all bent and jammed. The good news, after calling Hawthorne today, they said to sip it back at no cost and they will replace it, and that they have had a few problems with some sets. The bad news is that I may not receive it in time for Christmas. But I have faith.


WEATHER FROM NEW ENGLAND ( Central ):

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DP: 48F

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PC: Hey PC, I just had Chinese, how about a second item on the menu?

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Posted by NeO6874 on Thursday, December 7, 2006 1:11 PM

I got it from a website that said it was "copied from the transcripts" of the original speech - but that's the internet for you.

 

I'm no WWII history buff, nor have I actually ever heard the speech beyond the "Dec.7 -- a day which will live in infamy--" so the errors were completely unintentional....

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Thursday, December 7, 2006 1:42 PM

To all our vettes who served in WWII, thank you for your service.  It is not forgotten even by us youngins.

In the coffee shop late today, but I made it.

I'm Heading down to peach creek after work and pick up some paint.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 7, 2006 2:23 PM
Shawna was rushed in at 4:30 am AST.  At 2:30 pm AST she was 9cm ...... Still waiting for details....  I jump every time the phone rings........
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Posted by pcarrell on Thursday, December 7, 2006 2:27 PM
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PC: Hey PC, I just had Chinese, how about a second item on the menu?

Steak OK?

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Posted by SilverSpike on Thursday, December 7, 2006 2:28 PM

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Shawna was rushed in at 4:30 am AST.  At 2:30 pm AST she was 9cm ...... Still waiting for details....  I jump every time the phone rings........

Wow! Still in labor eh! Thanks for the update.  Chloe, keep the humidor and the cigars a ready.....

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Thursday, December 7, 2006 2:35 PM

 luct wrote:
Shawna was rushed in at 4:30 am AST.  At 2:30 pm AST she was 9cm ...... Still waiting for details....  I jump every time the phone rings........

Baby on the way can make any "solid as a rock" guy nervous as "a long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs." Big Smile [:D]

The good news is you can sneak operating sessions with your trains in the middle of the night when the baby wakes up.  (To put her/him to sleep of course)

 Best wishes,

Don

 

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Thursday, December 7, 2006 2:37 PM

 pcarrell wrote:

One of my favs.  Who's got the grill?Dinner [dinner] 

Side note: I read once that the second leading pollutant in Austin was causes by BBQ smoke.  I kid you not. 

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Posted by pcarrell on Thursday, December 7, 2006 2:52 PM
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Who's got the grill?Dinner [dinner] 

It's Chloe's!  It's 'round back!

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Posted by grayfox1119 on Thursday, December 7, 2006 3:15 PM

PC: That is just fine, looks GREAT......now you have me so hungry that I could eat all of Duke's and Paul's supper too as well as yours PC!!! LOL. Watch out Ryan, I like your choice too!!!

DAN: Don't worry about it, there are so many mistakes on the internet, and with emails that we get, you practically have to check everything on SNOPES.com. I loved history in school, and still enjoy programs on TV channels like the History Channel, and National Geographic Channel, plus TLC and DSC. At least these channels have programs that you can use your mind and learn something rather than these D...A.. programs that make people emulate what they see on TV as fact, which is pure nonsense and entertainment for the feeble minded. Boy did I get going on that, sorry Dan, some TV programs get me so mad at what they are doing to this country and it's people, especially the young.My 2 cents [2c]

LUC: Have a rum coke on me buddy,and sit down, your wearing a hole in the carpet!!!

See you guys later, 

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Posted by NeO6874 on Thursday, December 7, 2006 3:29 PM
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DAN: Don't worry about it, there are so many mistakes on the internet, and with emails that we get, you practically have to check everything on SNOPES.com. I loved history in school, and still enjoy programs on TV channels like the History Channel, and National Geographic Channel, plus TLC and DSC. At least these channels have programs that you can use your mind and learn something rather than these D...A.. programs that make people emulate what they see on TV as fact, which is pure nonsense and entertainment for the feeble minded. Boy did I get going on that, sorry Dan, some TV programs get me so mad at what they are doing to this country and it's people, especially the young.My 2 cents [2c]

 

Yeah... I'm just out of the "Kid/Teen" Phase... literally.. by a year... and I personally find it deplorable that to keep kids occipied, there's "only" the TV and videogames... I say give the kid a football and ENCOURAGE him to run & play & get scrapes & (most importantly) dirty... I mean, thats what being a kid is about isn't it?

One of my cousins is beginning to fall into the TV/Videogame thing... he needs a G.I. Joe - he's still on the "too young" side for modelling - but since trains don't have the instant gratification of TV I doubt he'd ever get interested..  

 

  

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Posted by PA Belt on Thursday, December 7, 2006 3:33 PM

hey all!

LUC:she in yet, she healthy?

DAVID:sorry to here your movin, hope to hear from ya soon 

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Posted by ModelTrainLover on Thursday, December 7, 2006 3:50 PM

hey guys!!! what happend to the ROOT BEER???!!!!  Jeff!!! Did you drink the last of it?? PC I know you didn't or did you???

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Posted by pcarrell on Thursday, December 7, 2006 4:10 PM
 ModelTrainLover wrote:

hey guys!!! what happend to the ROOT BEER???!!!!  Jeff!!! Did you drink the last of it?? PC I know you didn't or did you???

Not me man!  I'm drinkin' Moxie!

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Posted by ModelTrainLover on Thursday, December 7, 2006 4:18 PM
Jeff?? Ok.... were r the prime suspects?
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