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Posted by bjdukert on Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:04 PM
Afternoon all

Ken-I found what I was looking for,it was the picture that everyone was talking about the building in the background. It’s amazing how many posts you have to go through to find something you missed. Good picture by the way. The second set looks the best with the black offsetting the top of the cab and loco.

JimCG-
QUOTE: pictures of my progress on the layout - if only to reassure some others
that they aren't the only one(s) making slow progress.
It’s good that you are able to start on the layout and sometimes SLOW and STEADY is the only way to go. Check out the Xuron cutters for track.
Good luck on the wheels,I hope they turn out to be what you need.

Paul
QUOTE: I did get my tractor with the front end loader to stack the brush
You still have an exhaust stack don’t you?? If I remember right the last time you got close to some limbs you came up missing something[:D][:-^][;)]

Steve-You lucky man!!!! All of that STEAM on one day and a double header to boot[^][tup][wow][yeah][8D]

Fergie-I would agree with the others,they do look orange.

Flip
QUOTE: Deb and I have a tit for tat relationship.
Yup,I know what you mean and most of the time I am the one on the receiving end but what else is new. If I wasn’t being abused in some way I would think I was in the wrong place. Hope she is getting more feeling as time goes on[angel]

I did make it to the lumber yard today and did get some more benchwork done and a little more tommorrow if all goes well.

I see Fergie is in and I am on my way out and I think it is my turn to buy Fergie so enjoy

Talk to you later

Duke


"Don't take a wooden nickel,because it isn't worth a dime" by my Dad

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Posted by TRENT B on Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:49 PM
HI GUYS,
FOOD FOR THOUGHT!
I THOUGHT MR'S WERE FRIENDLY BUT IGUESS SINCE I'M NOT ESTABLISHED WITH A LOT OF STARS ICAN JUST BE IGNORED. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE NICE TO TRY AND MAYBE MAKE SOME FRIENDS IN THE MR COMMUNITY. I GUESS I WAS WRONG.
SO LONG AND MAY YOUR TRAINS NEVER DERAIL!!!
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:52 PM
Evening folks ....... no time for even a quick cuppa Joe ...... we're getting ready to depart for a Gilbert & Sullivan evening at the theater - "H.M.S. Pinafore" - one of our favorites. Got "hooked" on G&S while in Halifax several years ago - even wound up meeting some of the people involved with the organization and actors. Great bunch! Anyway, I see my last couple of posts didn't shake anything out of the trees, so at least I don't have to play catch up!

My Polar Express shelf system is nearly done - just needs the "night sky" backdrop (wallpaper arrived today) - so I'll have some photo's soon .......

See ya!

Tom in Chesterfield, MO (Siberianmo)
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by fec153 on Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:59 PM
Trent- check out number of stars [ which do NOT mean a darn] that duke has. He just started and on here but "spoke" up. This forum is a two-way street like any relation.
sorry you feel this way.Enjoy your life.
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Posted by bjdukert on Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:17 PM
TrentB-I sat in the corner seat over there for a while before I said anything to see what things were like in here and when I saw that the people in here were very good people I started to talk here and there. So in other words,if you don't talk up and say something no one will ever know you are around and remember they can not see you here, it is a virtual world. Stars don't mean a thing to any of the people in here and I didn't even know I had one for quite awhile. Stick your head back in the door and say HI again and let us know what gauge,where,and when you model. Zoe or Chloe when and if Trent comes back in put his drink and what ever else he wants on my tab.

Duke

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"There are only 3 things you need out of life:A gentle grade,the wind in your face,and cinders in your hair.....But keep an eye on the water glass!" Jack Evans

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:25 PM
Zoe, I’d like an A&W root beer float please, I’ll join Duke at his table. While you’re at it, drinks for everybody here – I’m buying this round.

Wow, a lotta posts to respond to, I see...

QUOTE: Originally posted by twhite
Ken: I really like that paint-scheme--especially the one with the black band on top.

Thanx Cat-Tom, it’s my favorite too! … I can appreciate your frustration on the music teaching issue. It seems like the ‘personal’ touch is vanishing in favor of technology.
. . .
QUOTE: Originally posted by Railroading_Brit
Ken, I like that loco paint scheme - reminds me a little of the PB&NE SW7 and gondolas I have (Athearn SE set from a few years back). Looks good!

Thank you Matt! I’m trying to recall what that PB&NE switcher looks like, I only saw the Bethlehem Steel set – could you maybe put up a photo? BTW, congrats to Wales on the 6-Nations rugby championship! [tup] Guess the Irish’ luck ran out after Thursday…
. . .
Flip -
QUOTE: Originally posted by fec153
Ken Larsen- Do I remember correctly that you are into CSX?
Affirmative [tup] ! But I sometimes play the “private road” card to get something I really like – such as those EJE SD38-2’s [:P] BTW, I hope Deb’s recovery is progressing.
. . .
LilRob, glad to hear you found your way to the full-sized images.
. . .
QUOTE: Originally posted by JimRCGMO
Ken, I’m not knowledgeable on your particular diesels - are the cabs air-conditioned for the crew? ‘Cause otherwise they may gripe if the black trim on the cab roof gets things too hot for ‘em. But you could put a (flat) black on the low-nose hood, and that would cut down glare in their eyes. The rest of it looks pretty good![tup] Sure you don’t want to go with pink and black? [swg]

Jim, that’s really not an option for me – Fergie already has that color trademarked, and I don’t want to be blasted for copyright infringement! [;)][(-D][:D] Good point about the A/C – I’ll probably buy some rooftop units from Cannon or DW, since I’m kinda partial to the black roof. BTW, great news about that club situation, glad you finally connected.
. . .
Duke –
QUOTE: Originally posted by bjdukert
Ken-I found what I was looking for,it was the picture that everyone was talking about the building in the background. It’s amazing how many posts you have to go through to find something you missed. Good picture by the way. The second set looks the best with the black offsetting the top of the cab and loco.

Glad to hear you found it. I agree, it can be a real challenge digging thru old postings sometimes. I think I’m going to adopt the ‘black top’ scheme for my ‘38s – of course that will require the addition of some cab rooftop air conditioners, as CapeJim pointed out.
. . .
Trent B, tell us a little about yourself, we need to know about your interests before we know what to say to you.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:38 PM
Zoe, don't mind me - I almost forgot to leave this 'sticky note' for DER5997...

Der-John,

I have a few additions for your glossary (not single words unfortunately):

Quantity Control – carrying only CA$H, and no credit cards, to a train show or your LHS.

Honey Dues – a necessary level of time and money invested in activities with one’s Significant Other, to preserve a favorable attitude toward one’s involvement with trains.

Quantity Assurance – a documented plan for ensuring that the Honey Dues account stays ‘current’.

…Enjoy!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:44 PM
TRENT B, not to worry, It is clear that some close personal relationships have developed on The Coffee Shop thread, which is only natural. The sure way to get attention to a response is exactly in the manner you have elected. There is usually no shortage of sarcasm, especially for folks "outside" an established clique. Model Railroaders are ordinarily a friendly bunch but like any other group, established "coffee clutches" tend to be selective. I'm sure there is no intentional "snub" involved. Patience is always a virtue and perhaps "hanging in there" is best road for now.
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Posted by TRENT B on Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:52 PM
HI,
I didn't mean to offend anyone its that I said "HI" inFeb and talked about the ole' ATSF and nobody seemed to notice. I'M freelancing a Santa Fe route through part of Co. and have pics of my construction if someone would let me know how to post them and maybe give me some tips. My layout is 12' long by 9' wide with a 2' slot 2' from the wall. Since I'm in law enforcement I'm still building the plaster parts.(no running trains yet). I started 2yrs ago and work when Ihave time or am stressed.
I think I need decaf. please! No doughnut jokes please[:D]
Thanks Duke!
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Posted by Fergmiester on Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:54 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TRENT B

HI GUYS,
FOOD FOR THOUGHT!
I THOUGHT MR'S WERE FRIENDLY BUT IGUESS SINCE I'M NOT ESTABLISHED WITH A LOT OF STARS ICAN JUST BE IGNORED. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE NICE TO TRY AND MAYBE MAKE SOME FRIENDS IN THE MR COMMUNITY. I GUESS I WAS WRONG.
SO LONG AND MAY YOUR TRAINS NEVER DERAIL!!!


Stars are not a status symbol around here as it tends to indicate the number of times one has stumbled over or into a cow patty! The more stars you have means you're in for a rougher ride.

Hey boys another Texan ta boot! that makes 6, doesn't it?

BTW if you want to get noticed you have to do something outlandish like order a pink engine or something.

Well on the home front not much to report except I ripped up two sets of old double curved turnouts[V] Oh how that hurts. Now I'm realigning two new ones. Should have it all set by this time tomorrow... I hope.

It's nice to all know your not all colour blind or suffering from Pink Eye!

Anyway I'm taking a rest.

Later Gents
Fergie

PS Duke this ones onme as I'm feeling mighty generous tonight![:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:07 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TRENT B

HI,
I didn't mean to offend anyone its that I said "HI" inFeb and talked about the ole' ATSF and nobody seemed to notice. . .

Trent, [#welcome] back, glad you opted to give the Shop another try. People don't alreadys respond to every one of my posts either, but that's OK - I just keep coming back (writing more posts, not just lurking) and eventually I do get a 'nibble'...[;)]
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Posted by JPowell on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:12 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by bjdukert


JP-I’m still just a little new so forgive my question but are you in the A.F. and when did they start having boards to go up in front of for promotion?? I don’t remember anything like that,all we had to do was our OJT with some schooling and if you passed you were put on the list,but my memory is starting to fade a little too.
Duke



Duke - Yeah - kinda in the AF. More like the Air National Guard. I'm what they call a AGR (Active in the Guard/Reserve. I'm w/ a unit in New York. As for promotions, I'm not too sure about the actual process at a active duty base, but atleast in my squadron at my unit, we do our 'tech school', PME, etc, and then, if there's a 'slot' available, we go in front of a board. It's more of a 'informal, formality' but you still have to wear the service dress uniform for it. I'm in a interesting situation right now... the 'higher up's ' at my squadron are looking into revamping the types of questions that can be asked. More specifically, they're looking into using any/all areas that one should be knowledgeable in to select questions from. Those areas include, but will not be limited to NCO specific, and job specific. I was used as a guinea pig on Thursday when I did mine, and they(board members) told me so before they even questioned me.
JP

//signed// John Powell President / CEO CNY Transportation Corp (fictional)

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Hunter - When we met in January of 2000, you were just a 6 week old pup who walked his way into this heart of mine as the only runt in the litter who would come over to me. And today, I sit here and tell you I am sorry we had to put you down. It was the best thing for you and also the right thing to do. May you now rest in peace and comfort. Love, Dad. 8 June 2010

I love you and miss you Mom. Say hi to everyone up there for me. Rest in peace and comfort. Love, John. 29 March 2017

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Posted by Fergmiester on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:14 PM
This is one of those places where people come and go. Haven't heard from vsmith, Big Boy 4005, lupo and a few others as of late.

BTW Trent I was at sea in February so sorry I missed ya.

Speaking of which! Guys I went back several times today looking for a certain quote and it amazed me how much I missed the first oe second time through. We are presently logging about three pages a day so things can be easily missed or forgotten.

JP: Hope the Promo is a go. They are a long drawn out and hideous process!

Phil: Lisa and the boys are good and I'm starting to get Cabin Fever but as I'm back on the bike it should get better!

Later Gents

Fergie

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Posted by JPowell on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:16 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Paul W. Beverung


JP; that does sound encouraging. My son in law recently got promoted to Master Sergeant. I remember that he does a lot of studying for the board. As an old CW 2 I’ll be pulling for you.
.Paul

The Duluth, Superior, & Southeastern

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Paul - CW 2 - Were you, excuse me, let me rephrase that... are you a Marine?
JP

//signed// John Powell President / CEO CNY Transportation Corp (fictional)

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Hunter - When we met in January of 2000, you were just a 6 week old pup who walked his way into this heart of mine as the only runt in the litter who would come over to me. And today, I sit here and tell you I am sorry we had to put you down. It was the best thing for you and also the right thing to do. May you now rest in peace and comfort. Love, Dad. 8 June 2010

I love you and miss you Mom. Say hi to everyone up there for me. Rest in peace and comfort. Love, John. 29 March 2017

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Posted by TRENT B on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:19 PM
Hey Fergie!
Sounds like you might be military! Hey can I get you a refill?
My fav. is a 4-6-4 Blue Goose but as Iz po gonna have to wait til I get more$ to put a chip in. Both sound & control.
THANKS Guys for the welcome!!
T
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Posted by JPowell on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:21 PM
Evening all -
Chloe - drinks for the gang - on me as usual. I'll take another Blue, please?
Evening Fergie, Trent, and Ken. How are you all tonight?
JP

//signed// John Powell President / CEO CNY Transportation Corp (fictional)

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Hunter - When we met in January of 2000, you were just a 6 week old pup who walked his way into this heart of mine as the only runt in the litter who would come over to me. And today, I sit here and tell you I am sorry we had to put you down. It was the best thing for you and also the right thing to do. May you now rest in peace and comfort. Love, Dad. 8 June 2010

I love you and miss you Mom. Say hi to everyone up there for me. Rest in peace and comfort. Love, John. 29 March 2017

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Posted by JPowell on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:24 PM
Wow - errr OOPS! I did it again! lmao...drinks on the house for all tonight Chloe - I started w/ out asking again!

Thanks for all the well wishes for the 'hopefully' upcoming promo. Also, wishes to all that need em... (ie Mrs Flip!)

//signed// John Powell President / CEO CNY Transportation Corp (fictional)

http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s303/nuts4sports34/

Hunter - When we met in January of 2000, you were just a 6 week old pup who walked his way into this heart of mine as the only runt in the litter who would come over to me. And today, I sit here and tell you I am sorry we had to put you down. It was the best thing for you and also the right thing to do. May you now rest in peace and comfort. Love, Dad. 8 June 2010

I love you and miss you Mom. Say hi to everyone up there for me. Rest in peace and comfort. Love, John. 29 March 2017

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Posted by TRENT B on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:32 PM
Hey JP,
Let me say how GREATFUL I am for your service!!!! GOD BLESS you and all of our armed forces personel including your families!!!! Do you "work" for a living or do you have purdy collars? What is your road & how big is it?
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Posted by GMTRacing on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:37 PM
So how does this all work? I finally figured out the last page part, but most of the rest will take time. All this on a borrowed lap top as I just got back from Sebring and didn,t feel like retreiving my 'puter from work. Many of the threads seem to refer to earlier conversations/replys without any logical continuity. I definitly need more training.No donut jokes, but what I thought was this. I recently got back into my trains after a 20 year layoff and am trying to get back up to speed. I just read the book Playing With Trains.by Sam Posey and wonder what we are leaving for our kids? I do the train set to relax after a long day. Whats with the teams and re-enactments vis-a-vis prototyping? How do we interest a computer/game-boy generation with mountains of routing paperwork or have we become an ultimate expression of selfishnesh? What are we all about now? J.R.
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Posted by TRENT B on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:45 PM
Hey J.R.
Whats your RR. As far as the techno junk I'm with ya but all we can do is make them jealous . Hey- maybe there could be a breaker failure or battery fairy raid on thr games[}:)][8D]!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:50 PM
Hey Duke, you have chosen the right hobby for stress relief. That is, until you finally come up with the perfect name for your railroad only to find when you've lettered your first car: "South Halifax and Indian Territory" which simply won't fly when mixed company shows up. Sorry, but this is probably better than a "donut joke?" Seriously, my home town was on the Frisco mainline and Santa Fe ran passenger service on a branch from K.C., Mo. Incredibly, both Roads ran their passenger runs to K.C., Mo. leaving at exactly the same times from the local depot. The Santa Fe train always made better time due to routing and better equipment.

If you will be "free lancing" a Colorado division, will your scenery favor the mountains or the eastern plains? I hope your track plan is established so you can work the scenery around it instead of the other way around. Wish I could be of help on posting your pix here but I'm a total cyber ignoramus. Let's hear more about your plans as they develop. Best of luck. Regards
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Posted by TRENT B on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:51 PM
Hey Fregmeister,
What's up? You want a cup, I'll buy!
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Posted by fec153 on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:52 PM
Trent- I do Not consider myself a Modeler. Not in the context as Fergie, Cat Tom , Teffy and most all of the others are. I am a train fan . I enjoy running my stuff. I'll run 25 to 37 cars at a time all in the same R.R. name,-ie-S.F. , CSX, FEC or what ever I feel like at the time. The only quirk {butt out Fergie} I have is NO duplicate numbers. There are very few MRR tips I can give , however, I have helped someone a few times.
I am usually in a shell by myself but this forum and these Gentlemen have taken to me as you cansee if you have been monitering this thread. I am very proud of their friendship and enjoy the bantering and have been blessed with their prayers for my wife. 'Nuff said. Join in. Have fun. Have a drink, Hard or soft, hot or cold. I think I have said enough. I'm to d--- old for any H.S.
Trent-[#welcome].
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:59 PM
Chloe, one round of drinks for everyone present before I check out. Forgot to hang up the phoneDSL, so some people may have thought I was ignoring them; not so! My mistake...

Enjoy yourselves, gentlemen, and let someone else drive you home if necessary...!
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Posted by TRENT B on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:01 PM
Ted
I'M a total fumble finger I ment to put my name after I thanked Duke but Ihit the wrong key!![xx(][banghead]
The eastern side down towards Kan. I grew up with the Blue-yellow bonnet and man it's purdy in the setting Kansas sun!!!!
I chose to put mtns due to not much stuff to put except lots of grass and wheat. LOTS OF GRASS & WHEAT!! Oh, I DON"T mean the smok'n kind![(-D][xx(]
Trent
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Posted by TRENT B on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:09 PM
Flip,
I did't catch it 'bout your wife but: May the Lord of Heaven heal and bless your wife! May HE restore her, lift her up and bless you both in the days to come!! Amen!
Truth be told I DO like doughnuts but my wife, Dr., and Sgt. kick my butt when I eat them!!
[:D][dinner][(-D] Never make your wife mad or she'll call the Sgt.!!
Trent
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Posted by fec153 on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:11 PM
Ken- Very slow but steady. Ice packs are helping and the ice machine at night. $300 machine. We got one when Deb had her lumbar surgery, and when they were going to give us the one she was using for this surgery we told them we had one. Take it they said for they cannot reuse them on other patients. It would be thrown out if we didn't
CSX had a mile of old units next to SR19. Hoppers in sight-bulkheads in trees. They were gone thursday. Friday they reappeared but the bulkheads are in sight and the hoppers are in the trees. I sent pics to Trolleyboy and Silverspike. Have more if you're
interested. Send address thru forum if so.
Flip
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Posted by Attaboy on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:21 PM
Hi all, nice crowd tonight. Chloe, I'll have another Mt. Dew. (I'm addicted to that stuff)

QUOTE: We are presently logging about three pages a day

It is especially busy on weekends. Which got me thinking, do we get a free drink from everyone that started a page since our last post? [:D] [}:)]

Trent, glad you decided to give it another try. No stars here either, don't even know when I'm supposed to get therm, or care. These folks (and cats) are pretty chatty, it's easy to miss a post sometimes.

We will have OT available at work starting Monday. I'm not crazy about putting in the extra time, but it will mean more $$ for the train room. [yeah]

I got lazy today and didn't do anything downstairs, guess I'll have to work a little harder tomorrow.

See you later.
Age is an accident of birth, being young or old is a state of mind
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Posted by fec153 on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:22 PM
Trent- Thanks for the prayers. Always accepted.
How about a bit more info. What scale? Etc. See you are married and fuzz.
Add more info in your profile. Check out a few of the guys on here to find out what info we look for. Again welcome.
Flip
P.S. Go back about 3 or 4 pages and see what pictures Teffy posted. lol
I just checked- Page 358... Yawning- past my bedtime. Goodnight.
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Posted by Paul W. Beverung on Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:25 PM
Quick one tonight Gang;

Duke; that was Mary Ann’s tractor that I knocked the stack off of. You don’t think that I’d do that to mine, do you?

Hi Trent; I’m glade that you came back in. We’ve got a couple of other law dogs here and it makes us ol’e civies feel good and safe. Sounds like you have a good start on your layout. Let us know how your coming along.

I’ve got to sign off now. Our daughter and grand daughter have come for a visit and they are in the bed room with the computer. Since they want to go to bed I’ll have to go.

Paul

The Duluth, Superior, & Southeastern

“ The Superior Route “

P. S. JP. I was Army. A helicopter pilot. WETSU.
Paul The Duluth, Superior, & Southeastern " The Superior Route " WETSU

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