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Tender capacity
Posted by oldline1 on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:23 PM

I'm converting several steam loco tenders and this is causing the tender and water capacities to change from the as-built specs.

OK..............here's the question.........how much cubic capacity does a ton of bituminous coal take up? What about the water? How to properly figure the new tender capacities?

Thanks,

Roger

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Posted by Don Z on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:23 PM

Well, here's your chance to break out the slide rule or calculator: broken bituminous coal has a density of 833Kg/Cubic Meter.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:32 PM
 Don Z wrote:

Well, here's your chance to break out the slide rule or calculator: broken bituminous coal has a density of 833Kg/Cubic Meter.

Don Z.

And, since we're going metric, one cubic meter of water masses one metric ton (2200 lb.)

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - water capacity stated in m3)

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Posted by Don Z on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:37 PM

And to further confuse you:

  • 833Kg of bituminous coal = 1832.6 pounds
  • 2000 lbs. of bituminous coal = 909.1 Kg
  • 1 Cubic Meter = 1.30795 Cubic Yards
  • 1 Cubic Meter = 35.3146 Cubic Feet

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Posted by betamax on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:21 PM
I remember seeing something that stated a ton of coal is about the same size as a refrigerator.

So there is a basic idea of the volume of a ton of coal.
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Posted by betamax on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:26 PM
 tomikawaTT wrote:
 Don Z wrote:

Well, here's your chance to break out the slide rule or calculator: broken bituminous coal has a density of 833Kg/Cubic Meter.

Don Z.

And, since we're going metric, one cubic meter of water masses one metric ton (2200 lb.)

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - water capacity stated in m3)



Actually, a cubic metre of water (distilled water at 15 degrees C) has a mass of 1000 kilograms, or one tonne.
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Posted by Virginian on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:47 PM
So what's the power output of a Big Boy, in furlong grains per fortnight so we don't have to do all those silly metric conversions?
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Posted by Isambard on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:43 PM

I recently received a Spectrum Russian Decapod 2-10-0 in Western Maryland markings, with  tender capacity indicated as "20,000" on the upper left hand rear end - liters maybe but not gallons for sure in that small tender.  Out of curiosity, taking one of my 2-8-0's which had an indicated tender capacity of 5000 gallons I measured the water tank dimensions in inches, calculated the cubic inches, then cubic ft, then scaled up by 87, then converted to U.S. gallons, and surprise surprise I got near 5000 gallons. Took me almost half an hour, given all those fractions and calculations! 

I have to do the same for my unmarked Russians but if someone already has a valid capacity for the small Russian tender I be happy to know it, the same for my unmarked Spectrum 2-10-2 and Spectrum 2-6-6-2 tenders. Smile [:)]

 PS: Fortunately I had to return the Western Maryland Decapod to Bachmann due a problem and received an undecorated one in return, saving me from the work involved in re-lettering to Grizzly Northern markings.

Isambard

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Posted by Don Z on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:51 PM

A gallon of water is equal to 231 cubic inches......you can easily calculate the water tank capacity by multiplying length x width x height in inches, then divide by 231 to determine the gallonage of the water tank.

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Posted by betamax on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:14 PM
 Virginian wrote:
So what's the power output of a Big Boy, in furlong grains per fortnight so we don't have to do all those silly metric conversions?


612,350 Newtons. For a drawbar horsepower of 4,623 kilowatts. Sustained for 1 hour, that would be 16,644,024,000 Joules.

The machine had a mass of 548,280 kilos gross. Or 548.28 tonnes.

You can do the math in those old units.
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Posted by oldline1 on Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:37 AM

According to my Western Maryland specs their I-1 Russian tenders held 7,400 gallons and 17 tons as compared to the "standard" Russian tender's 9 tons.

Wouldn't happen to have a spare WM Dec tender, would you?

Roger

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