dang coarse turf won't stay down!!!!!!!!

[unionpacificchuck]

I have done everything to this woodland scenics coares turf and it still blows all over the place!!!! what to do?

does anyone have any tips?

[selector]

Every time I add a layer of anything sprinkled, I spray it with a spray bottle filled with yellow carpenter's glue (Elmer's) diluted with water and two drops of dish detergent.  I mix it 1 part glue to about 6 parts water.  I give the area a fairly good soaking...not running everywhere, but I can see that everything is wet.  Then, let dry, and it should stiffen up and dry into place.

What are you doing?

[rrinker]

 How are you trying to glue it down? The WS glue is just white glue liek Elmer's already diluted, you can save a lot of money by buying a big jug of Elmer's and diluting it yourself. If liek me you have hard water, the detergent might not work to break the surface tension - I ended up mixing te glue with rubbing alcohol to get it to soak in instead of puddle on the top. Worked equally well for ballast and ground foam.

 

                                             --Randy

[unionpacificchuck]

i am using glue and water but i will try what you are saying. i am not spraying the glue and water because i don't want it everywhere. I also have a cheap grass mat made out of that pastic stuff.

[ShadowNix]

I use matte medium or glue as noted above.  I spray wet water, add the medium or glue with a dropper or sprayer and then spray with wet water again.  Seems to work well for me...

Brian

[jeffrey-wimberly]

White glue won't stick to plastic worth squat.

[MisterBeasley]

I'm with you.  I don't spray anymore.  It gets all over the place, mostly where I don't want it.

Instead, I use an old paintbrush to spread glue for turf in small areas at a time, no more than a few inches square, and then I take pinches of turf between my fingers to sprinkle on.  I get much better control that way than the "salt shaker" method using the jar.  (Or "pepper shaker" for those from the Barbeque States.)

For the bigger stuff, I first put down the turf, and then drip glue over it it with a pipette, one of those cheap plastic eyedroppers you can get at craft stores and well-stocked LHS's.  I use a mix of 1 part Elmers White to 3 parts water.  The white glue dries clear.  When you put it on, it squishes down and soaks the turf, but as it dries it fluffs up again and ends up solidly glued down.

[jerryl]

   I use about a 3 to 1 mixture of either white glue or matt medium With a bit of rubbing alcohol & a drop or 2 of detergent added. First I brush it on the surface I want to cover, sprinkle the foam on & apply the diluted mixture with an eye dropper. Really saturate it, I found that when the foam didn't stick it was because I didn't really saturare it.  remember, if you use WS matt medium it is already diluted. I buy mine at a craft store & dilute it myself, seems the WS is diluted too much for me.  Good luck  Jerry

[Chuck Geiger]

My scenery mentor Lou at the Lehigh and Keystone Valley MRR Club cameup with this one. It's called "spinach". Mix the ground foam in a mixing bowl or container with glue and water, then apply it. It works great for vines, bushes and shrubs.

[Anonymous]

I have done everything to this woodland scenics coares turf and it still blows all over the place!!!! what to do?

does anyone have any tips?

I think you should hold a spray bottle 2-3feet above the grass then spray until it gets wet enough. Then spray it with glue. Just make sure and mist it really good.

[LD357]

Good question.......where are the corn fields?   or was that also a lie?

 I use all different types of turf and grass and I've never had a problem.....some "wet water', dilluted white glue....and it sticks just fine.

 Perhaps you should read the directions before you attempt anything.

[NeO6874]

Good question.......where are the corn fields?   or was that also a lie?

 I use all different types of turf and grass and I've never had a problem.....some "wet water', dilluted white glue....and it sticks just fine.

 Perhaps you should read the directions before you attempt anything.

 

You give this kid too much credit... he was brought up on Playstation... there's no way he knows what that "weird book thingie with all the words" is for...

[jeffrey-wimberly]

Yeah, when I was a kid we didn't have computers, there weren't any "How-To" shows on the tube. If you wanted to learn something, you had to get some of those strange rectangular things called "books", they required a little effort on your part.

[rrinker]

My scenery mentor Lou at the Lehigh and Keystone Valley MRR Club cameup with this one. It's called "spinach". Mix the ground foam in a mixing bowl or container with glue and water, then apply it. It works great for vines, bushes and shrubs.

  Hey, when were you in the club? I was there at the second location adjacent to the tracks on New Street up until we had to tear it all down. Since the landlord decided to triple the rent thinking we couldn't (or wouldn;t) remove the layout.  

 

                               --Randy

[Dallas Model Works]

Give it a good misting with wet water and soak it with Scenic Cement (or diluted matte medium) using a second mister bottle. Don't be shy witht the Scenic Cement!

Our Mount Penelope RR is made to be moved and has lots of trees and shrubbery (much of it Woodland Scenics, and it all stays down. Looks great and the vacuum won't budge it.

[unionpacificchuck]

Well acutally i was brought up on a nintendo and i didn read the instrutions but

[jeffrey-wimberly]

Don't worry about it. I don't read the instructions three quarters of the time. Most of the time they're in real fine print and my eyes just will not focus that close anymore.

[Medina1128]

I soak mine with an eyedropper with rubbing alcohol.. then soak with diluted white glue.. it's been solidly in place for 2 years..

[AggroJones]

I don't think foam will stick well to plastic grass matting...

[AggroJones]

I don't think foam will stick well to plastic grass matting...

[Anonymous]

White glue won't stick to plastic worth squat.

Jeff, have you ever heard of or tried out the Weld Bond glue?  It is a white glue that sticks to just about anything, including plastic.  I use it everywhere on my layout...

 

 

[jeffrey-wimberly]

White glue won't stick to plastic worth squat.

Jeff, have you ever heard of or tried out the Weld Bond glue?  It is a white glue that sticks to just about anything, including plastic.  I use it everywhere on my layout...

 

 

Yes, I have tried it. There are things it doesn't stick to well. Here's the list.

Some plastics, rubber and cast metals won't produce a bond including polyethylene, unbacked vinyl, PVC, Teflon, polypropylene, vinyl to vinyl, cast iron, cast aluminium and "pot" metals. Do not use it when bonding containers designed for use with hot liquids. It must be stored at a temperature above 50 F and below 93 F. If it freezes while in a liquid state it will separate into it's component chemicals and becomes unusable. Not nit-picking, that's just my personal experience with it. Aside from that, it works pretty well.