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Proto Heritage 2000 series 2-8-8-2 DCC and Sound decoder installation

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Proto Heritage 2000 series 2-8-8-2 DCC and Sound decoder installation
Posted by TheK4Kid on Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:19 AM
I have two Proto-Heritage 2000 series 2-8-8-2 Pennsylvania engines( #373 AND #376) and would like to put DCC and sound in them.
So I am looking for information as to who has a quality decoder and prices and whether it would be relatively easy to install the decoders myself or have it done professionally.
I also have two IHC "Mountain" steam engines I'd like to do the same thing with..


Thanks!
 TheK4Kid

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Posted by cacole on Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:31 AM

A SoundTraxx Tsunami, Elektronik Solutions Ulm LokSound, or Digitrax SoundFX decoder would probably be the best choices for all of these engines.  The last thing I would ever consider is an MRC sound system.

How old are the P2K engines?  They may be "DCC Ready" and have a decoder socket inside the tender.  If not, more wiring is going to be involved.

The only IHC model I know of that is DCC Ready is their currently-offered 2-10-2.  That is not to say that sound cannot be installed into an IHC tender, but it will require more wiring if there is no DCC socket.

One quick way to determine if the P2K locomotives are DCC ready is to look between the engine and tender.  If there are several wires interconnecting them, then there is a DCC socket in the tender.

 

 

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Posted by TheK4Kid on Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:09 AM
The P2K engines are both DCC ready.
I was reading the instruction sheet. It simply says to remove the tender body, remove the "dummy" plug and plug in the decoder and that's it.
It's ready to go.
The IHC engines are not DCC ready, the only plug coming from the engine to the tender carries the voltage for the rear light on the tender.
But there is room inside for a decoder.

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Posted by Virginian on Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:23 PM
The engines are indeed DCC ready, so the chip will plug right in, but you will also need to install and wire speakers if you want sound.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:46 PM

One thing you should know if you go loksound is that you DO NOT need the programmer, the only thing that does for you is allow you to download sounds from thier library, but the decoder will program normally on any programming track, you dont even need a booster like you do for some decoders. I suggest you order from Tonys Train Exchange, and if you do they will load whatever sounds you want on the loksound decoder before they ship it to you.

In the steam sound market, Loksound and Tsunami are pretty equal. Loksound has a better drive, your motor will run quieter and more smoothly, but I have heard that the Tsunami has a little better sound. However, at this point Loksound is unquestionably the best decoder for diesel sound. The Tsunami is also cheaper, so that could factor in to your descision. Both are great decoders and you will be happy either way.

Always the hardest part about installing sound is installing the speaker(s) in a way which will give you the best sound. Steam engines are easier than diesels because you have a nice big tender to work in, a good and common way to mount the speaker in a steam engine is to have the speaker facing down through the tender floor with holes drilled in the floor to let the sound out. You should also use a baffle/enclosure and make it as air-tight as possible.

 

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Posted by devils on Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:48 PM
I'd recommend Tsunami from soundtraxx, solder on a 8 pin plug and a speaker + baffle and plug it in. I use a PC programmer called a SPROG (this is made in the UK but similar are made in the US) and JMRI software as it makes programming much easier when it's all laid out on the screen. You  can do it all on your DCC system but you may need a booster to program sound locos with QSI or tsunami chips. See the www.TonysTrains.com website lots of useful info there. 
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Posted by Nataraj on Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:53 PM
I have loksound decoders in my engines, and I think they are the best.

--WITH THE LOKSOUND, JUST PLUG IT IN THE SOCKET.
--WITH SOUNTRAXX TSUNAMI THERE IS NO PLUG SO YOU NEED TO
CUT AND SOLDER WIRES

Loksound does have better motor control, and better sound quality.
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Posted by cacole on Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:28 PM

WITH SOUNTRAXX TSUNAMI THERE IS NO PLUG SO YOU NEED TO
CUT AND SOLDER WIRES

Not quite true -- with the SoundTraxx Tsunami, you can purchase a wiring harness with an NMRA plug on one end and the 9-pin JST plug on the other, and replace the solder-in wiring harness that comes with the Tsunami.  A very easy conversion to make the Tsunami truly plug-n-play.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:43 PM
You may not even want it plug and play. If you pull out the original board you might have more room for a larger speaker.
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Posted by Nataraj on Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:35 PM
Hahaha.......... wow. My bad. Don't know what I was thinking when I said that. ( last post ). Totally forgot about the JST on the tsunami. Sorry!!

Go with loksound or tsunami. Don't even bother with MRC.
Nataraj -- Southern Pacific RULES!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The GS-4 was the most beautiful steam engine that ever touched the rails.
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Posted by TheK4Kid on Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:59 PM
Thanks guys!
 Real "SOUND" advice! a good play on words here! LOL!
Nataraj. Absolutely have to agree with you about that GS-4
It is beautful!
 I am also a private pilot ( and no I don't fly in New York around buildings!! Bad news!)

Anyway I have a movie called "One Six Right" which has a Southern Pacific GS-4 in it!
It's a newer aviation documentary about the Van Nuys Calif airport, and there's a really funny story about the train and a couple of barnstorming pilots who decided to "buzz" the train( actually theGS -4 engine) just once too often!

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Posted by hdtvnut on Friday, October 13, 2006 2:11 AM

I recommend studying the Tsunami and other decoder sound features on their websites.

I have installed six Tsunamis, three in P2K locos, one of which is a 2-8-8-2. I just heard a Loksound in a PCM Y6B and did not like its chuff sound.  I was even less impressed with the Digitrax at Phily.  Only the Tsunami has 16 bit sound, which means the chuff, steam release and whistle all sound cleaner.  While it doesn't have download, each of the three standard versions has between six and eight whistles to choose from.

If  realistic steam sound is desired, the Tsunami has exclusive features, i.e., the chuff  loudness, timbre and rod clank (only on Tsunami) can all be modulated by acceleration/deceleration.  A realistic downhill "drift" effect is easy to create.  The sound spectrum can be optimised by a seven-band equalizer, and the "liveness" controlled with reverb settings.  Articulated chuff can either have a fixed cadence or can be set to slip at one of three rates.

Keep in mind that Loksounds require 100 ohm speakers, which limits choice of sizes.

The Tsunami is supported by extensive well-written tech manuals, more than can be said for the others.  So the choice seemed obvious to me.

Hal

 

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Posted by TheK4Kid on Friday, October 13, 2006 11:27 AM
Thanks for the info Hal.
I'll give it a look-see!

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Posted by cacole on Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:25 PM

I haven't seen or heard a Digitrax FX decoder, but their advertisements in Model Railroader and Railroad Model Craftsman indicate that they have steam sounds available -- is this another case of something being advertised 6 months before it's actually available?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 16, 2006 8:54 AM

First of all, I have to ask for forgiveness for my ignorance - I haven't even thought about motive power for 6 months while I got track laid, and I'm certainly not up on the latest in sound decoders.

Are any of these decoders specific to articulated steam? Don't you need 2x the 'chuffs' with articulated (excepting the unlikely situation that both sets of engines were in perfect synch)...?

The only articulated I have with sound is a BLI T-1 4-4-4-4 and it has a distinctly different (busier?) sound than any of my other steamers.

I have a strong interest in the answer, as I too have a Heritage 2-8-8-2 for which I'd like sound one day.

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Posted by cacole on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:27 AM

I have experience only with the SoundTraxx Tsunami, and know that it can be programmed to represent either a standard 2-cylinder engine, 3-cylinder engine, simple articulated, or compound articulated.

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Posted by WPinMD on Friday, August 11, 2017 8:33 PM

cacole

I have experience only with the SoundTraxx Tsunami, and know that it can be programmed to represent either a standard 2-cylinder engine, 3-cylinder engine, simple articulated, or compound articulated.

 

Which TSU model did you use in the 2882?  TSU 1100?  Speaker?

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