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Out of the box, the old Mantua engines will outlast any other. They don't run all that good at low speed, but I've also regeared & remotored some of them. Put a can motor, idler gearbox & flywheel in an 0-4-0 Goat. Northlanz ,probably the largest HO RR in the world ,runs only "out of the box" Mantuas.
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