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Traffic cones in the 1950's?
Posted by Joe Hohmann on Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:15 PM
I'm currently building a 1950's layout module that could use some traffic cones, and assume they had them in the 50's? If so, does anyone know what color they were (white, yellow?)? I'm sure they were not the Day-Glow red we have today. I DID find out about stop signs...yellow with black letters, same shape as today. Thanks, Joe
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Posted by RDG1519 on Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:26 PM

What I remember from the 1950's was not cones, but kerosine "pots". The highway department would use them exactly as a cone is used in a construction area. They were black spheres, half the size of a basketball, filled with kerosine with the wick out the top. Whereas cones may also have been used I only recollect these kerosine pots from the fifties, right up into the early sixties. I grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia. Hope this helps.

Stop signs indeed were yellow or orange with black "STOP".

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Posted by Medina1128 on Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:37 PM

OMG! I guess I'm old. I remember those pots. They looked just like cartoon bombs.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:41 PM
You too huh? I also remember them and I am still very young (still wet behind the ears)  I will be 49 in November. I used to have one around but haven't seen it in years.  Ever try to blow out the flame on one?   Mike
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Posted by andrechapelon on Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:41 PM

 Joe Hohmann wrote:
I'm currently building a 1950's layout module that could use some traffic cones, and assume they had them in the 50's? If so, does anyone know what color they were (white, yellow?)? I'm sure they were not the Day-Glow red we have today. I DID find out about stop signs...yellow with black letters, same shape as today. Thanks, Joe

RDG1519 is quite correct, traffic cones are a relatively modern phenomena. As I recall, the kerosene pots were followed by "sawhorse" type barriers with flashing yellow lanterns (60's - 70's) followed by the dayglow orange cones. 

If you're going to do 50's, you just gotta have some Burma Shave signs. http://www.two-lane.com/burmashave.html

There's virtual example of a Burma Shave sign about halfway down the page.

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Posted by tcwright973 on Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:42 PM

I agree, only kerosene pots in the 50's as well as wooden saw horses, which I remember as being painted in black and white stripes. No cones, vinyl tape or flashing lamps in those days.

I think a basketball would be too big, more like the size of a bowling ball or maybe a soccer ball.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:02 PM

No traffic cones in the 50's. And unlike now where they put a couple dozen traffic cones up ahead of the problem, they only used a couple just a few feet before the construction/repairs etc.

Even truckers carried kerosene flares for break downs and other emergencies. And I don't think there were companies that made a living just setting up the pots around road repairs.

Life sure was a lot simpler then!

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:44 PM

I'll second the black, bomb-shaped kerosene burners.  Also large saw-horse-like moveable barriers immediately adjacent to the excavation, if there was one.  The horizontal beam was painted alternately black and white in (approximately) 6-inch bands.  Ordinary work on ordinary streets would have three or four smudge pots (as we kids used to call them,) while something being done on a busy arterial would rate six or so.

No signs two miles down the road warning "Road Work Ahead."  No descending stairsteps of reduced speed limits, either.

I wonder how hard it would be to model a smudge pot, using a small LED for a starting point.  A little dab of transparent orange on a yellow LED would give something close to the right color.

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Posted by Joe Hohmann on Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:25 PM
AH HA!...I do remember those pots! Thanks all, for the info. Since I'm 64, I should have remembered. One thing I do remember is our car in long traffic jams going over the Pulaski Skyway in Northern NJ, after visiting my Grandparents in NY. 99% of the time they were caused by cars overheating, or having flat tires...two things we don't see much of today. Joe
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Posted by TheK4Kid on Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:37 PM
For everyones information, a few of the old signs still exist in Indiana and Michigan along rural roads!
Some of those kind farmers apparently kept them, fixed them up, and put them back out.
There are a few in Indiana between US 30 and US 6 along Indiana State road 13.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:40 PM
Those kerosene pots were filled and lit every night before dark. In the morning after it was light they came around and put the pots out.
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Posted by bcawthon on Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:49 PM

They were called smudge pots, highway torches, road flares, road torches and several other names. Best-known was the Toledo Torch pressed-steel road torch which was introduced over 70 years ago (patented in 1929). It would burn for 12-14 hours, stay lit in high winds and was self-righting. There was even an attachment to allow a Toledo Torch to be hung from a wooden sawhorse-style barricade. Other brands were Dietz Highway Torch, Embury Luck-E-Lite, Handlan and Storm King.

Incidentally, they weren't always black (at least not initially). They could be red, orange, yellow, blue or silver.

Similar torches, but with square bases, were made for trucks and buses to use in case of breakdowns. They were provided in three-torch sets to comply with federal safety regulations.

Our town used to paint their barricades orange to match the DPW trucks. I have also seen them in yellow, white and gray.

I also remember the safety cones. They were yellow with a black base and red top and they were fairly heavy. Instead of being used in mass quanitities for traffic lane control, a few would be put out for things like school crossings, police roadblocks and such. They had a hole in the top that allowed the insertion of a special STOP sign.

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Posted by conagher on Monday, July 17, 2006 4:44 AM

In parts of West Texas, we didn't have paved roads to worry about repairs and traffic barriers. Railroad crossings weren't marked and you yielded to the guy approaching an intersection from your right 'cause there weren't roadway signs to muddle up the countryside.

If there ever was an accident, they didn't need to put out flares or warnings for motorists because everyone in the county knew about it anyway.

In fact, my hometown was so small, it was just this past year we finally got the 5th digit in our Zip Code.

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Posted by Joe Hohmann on Monday, July 17, 2006 6:28 AM
 bcawthon wrote:

 

I also remember the safety cones. They were yellow with a black base and red top and they were fairly heavy. Instead of being used in mass quanitities for traffic lane control, a few would be put out for things like school crossings, police roadblocks and such. They had a hole in the top that allowed the insertion of a special STOP sign.

So, it sounds like cones may have had limited use? I'm builing a Drive-In Movie module, and planned on using a row of 3 of them to separate the in/out lanes just before the ticket booth. The 2-lane entrance road will be gravel, so no painted white line. See...sometimes we "O" 3-Railers care about details.

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Posted by tcwright973 on Monday, July 17, 2006 7:19 AM

Joe,

Our local drive-in used barrels to seperate lanes. I seem to recall they were painted a bright red and were filled with water so they would stay in place.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, July 17, 2006 7:27 AM

Well, I was a kid back then, but somewhere back up in the dusty neuron attic is a memory of "witches' hats," which was my Mom's name for traffic cones.  This was likely the late 50's or early 60's.  I grew up on Long Island, New York.

And just for laughs, we went to the drive-in last week.  There is a drive-in in Wellfleet, Massachusetts (on Cape Cod) so we got to see the new "Pirates" movie in that environment.  They used barrels, by the way.

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Posted by CNJ831 on Monday, July 17, 2006 8:55 AM

While I, like many others here, clearly recall the smudge pots and wooden sawhorses, I also remember, here in the Northeast, occasionally seeing red kerosene lanterns (apparently just like the RR ones) hanging from the sawhorses at road repair sites.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 17, 2006 9:14 AM

Im not sure about those bombs.. er pots.

 

They did have great big barrels to move in the work zones. Come to think of it.. there were not that many. Bridge out signs were much more common back then.

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Posted by twhite on Monday, July 17, 2006 10:34 AM

During the 'fifties, out here in rurual Northern California (and yes, Northern California was mostly rural back in the 'fifties), we used saw-horses with flashing lanterns on the top for any road work.  I don't remember seeing traffic cones until around the 1970's.   Check the Walther's catalogue, it seems to me that those saw-horses are available.  I know I've got some running around in my detail box, ready to put on the roads (when I get them built) for my WWII-era model railroad.   But traffic cones, at least as far as I remember, would be way too 'modern' for the '50's.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 17, 2006 1:52 PM
I remember smudge pots in early sixties,along with saw horses, by mid-sixties I recall cones were used by state highway dept, usually they were put down on lines in road after line repaints. the cones were shorter, approximately 24" or so,yellow with a red stripe on top. it seems in mid-sixties,they started using those battery powered flashers, some on the ground and some on the sawhorses..
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Posted by edkowal on Monday, July 17, 2006 3:16 PM
You can find a description and pictures of modern Toledo torches (the trade name for smudge pots) at the following site:

 http://home.earthlink.net/~trafficgard/TorchIntro.htm

By clicking on the highway torch link on that page, you'll go to a location with pictures of modern copies of kerosene highway flares, and further info about their history.

Growing up in the fifties, I too don't recall traffic cones being used much, if at all.  Although Wikipedia mentions they were invented in the1910's, I don't think they were available in the modern plastic version until much later.  That would have depended on the industrial ability to cast flexible plastics in large sizes.  In the fifties, if it was flexible, it was likely to be rubber, not plastic.  The first traffic cones were apparently concrete, with limited portability, so it makes sense that they wouldn't be used much for road repair sites.

The black and white stripes on the wooden saw horse type barriers were painted on a diagonal line, and were only on the horizontal cross-member, as I recall.

Lastly, there are two books on Burma Shave signs:

The Verse by the Side of the Road, by Frank Rowsome, Jr.
Burma-Shave: The Rhymes, The Signs, The Times, by Bill Vossler

I've got the first book, and it's terrific.  A complete history of the company and it's unique publicity campaign, with a complete year by year listing of the verses at the back.  Since the signs were only up for two years or so before being replaced by new ones, with a listing like that, you're sure to have a verse used at the time.  Both books are in print, and can be ordered from Amazon, and other book sellers.  There's also a wealth of info on the internet, including photos of sign collections.  Just search for the terms: Burma Shave Sign

Hope this helps out.

-Ed

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Posted by vsmith on Monday, July 17, 2006 4:08 PM
Smug pots and folding wooden sawhorse barriers were the norm in the 50's, the plastic cones didnt become common nationwide till the late 70's. Smug pots gave way to the sawhorses with the flashing lights on them in the early 60's.
 
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Posted by bcawthon on Monday, July 17, 2006 5:01 PM

Traffic cones were invented in 1914 and "Witch's Hats" were a common nickname for them. The cones themselves wouldn't look out of place, but the bright orange ones would as the plastics used for those was a later development.

Traffic cones in use in the 1950s would have been painted rubber and could be almost any color. As I mentioned above, the ones I recall were black, yellow and red. However, since they would be theater property in your use, you could paint them white or some other color.

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Posted by Joe Hohmann on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:30 AM
Again, thanks for the input, everyone. I never thought of the barrels! Now I remember them marking the entrance lanes at the local "demolition derby" we used to go to in the 50's. The Drive-In owner (me) could paint them any color he choose. I sometimes look through my collection of stereo (3-D) "family snapshot" slides from the 1950's for reference, but didn't feel like looking through the 3,000 of them right now. Joe
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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:15 AM

Joe - thanks for an interesting topic.

Now, about that drive-in...are you going to use a laptop computer screen for the movie, with "Emperor of the North" showing?  Can you maybe put that one on the sign out front of the theater?  I can almost smell the popcorn and hot dogs...

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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:13 AM
 MisterBeasley wrote:

Joe - thanks for an interesting topic.

Now, about that drive-in...are you going to use a laptop computer screen for the movie, with "Emperor of the North" showing?  Can you maybe put that one on the sign out front of the theater?  I can almost smell the popcorn and hot dogs...

 
That would be the wrong era, EotN was made in '73, Maybe a loop of the train robbery scene from 'How the West Was Won' instead? in Cinemascope, of courseWink [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:42 AM

I am only 50 but I do remember old metal barrels used for construction of roads in the Boston area.

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Posted by Joe Hohmann on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:41 PM
 MisterBeasley wrote:

Joe - thanks for an interesting topic.

Now, about that drive-in...are you going to use a laptop computer screen for the movie, with "Emperor of the North" showing?  Can you maybe put that one on the sign out front of the theater?  I can almost smell the popcorn and hot dogs...

No, I'm using a 7" personal DVD player. I'll be showing continuous "snack bar refreshment ads" from the 50's and 60's, as well as other intermission ads/announcements. The movie sign out front will probably be a spoof related to where the club modular layout will be shown, ie "The Crab That Ate Baltimore" for a MD show. Joe

 

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