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Posted by orsonroy on Thursday, January 8, 2004 8:27 AM
In HO, we still need good small and mid-sized steam. Bachmann's helping, with their 0-6-0T, 2-8-0, 2-10-0 and 4-6-0, but we still need more. How about a modernized 4-4-0, larger 4-6-0s, 4-4-2s, Harriman 2-8-2s, NYC consolidations and Mikes (especially the H-5s), Santa Fe and UP steam that's not the big stuff, anything Canadian, and pre-USRA Pacifics.

The variety in HO diesels is amazingly complete, with mostly early switchers being badly represented. Early Alco HH- and Lima switchers would fill lots of holes.

We're still lagging in the variety of freight cars. Most modelers now know that not all 40' boxcars looked alike, and we're now blessed with more than a dozen new 40' kits, but what about other car classes? Gondolas and stock cars are especially badly represented, with only 3-4 accurate gons and 2-3 accurate stock car kits out there (not counting resin, which most modelers are afraid of). We could also use a few more plastic hoppers (Sealey, especially), flats, and tank cars (how about a P2K quality three dome tank kit?). Of course, we especially need good, accurate, railroad-specific cabooses (thank you, Walthers and AMB!).

Passenger cars are grossly underrepresented as well. Rivarossi and BLI make NYC Hudsons, but no one makes accurate, non-brass cars for the early 20th Century Limited. For some stupid reason, we're short on accurate front-end cars like full baggage and RPO's. And there's not a single post 1890 heavyweight wood side coach, RPO or baggage on the market!

Of course, I'm talking about pre-1960 modeling here. You modern-era guys are going to have to talk up your own era's stuff on your own!

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Posted by nfmisso on Thursday, January 8, 2004 8:50 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ebriley

Altonfan, you're asking for a 1953 Corvette. Wasn't the first Corvette a 1954 Model?


No, 1953 was the first, which why there were the 50th Anniversary celebration this past summer.
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Posted by nfmisso on Thursday, January 8, 2004 8:50 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ebriley

Altonfan, you're asking for a 1953 Corvette. Wasn't the first Corvette a 1954 Model?


No, 1953 was the first, which why there were the 50th Anniversary celebration this past summer.
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Posted by nfmisso on Thursday, January 8, 2004 8:53 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by orsonroy


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How about a modernized 4-4-0,


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And there's not a single post 1890 heavyweight wood side coach, RPO or baggage on the market!


What about IHC's 4-4-0 ?

And MDC's Palace cars?
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Posted by nfmisso on Thursday, January 8, 2004 8:53 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by orsonroy


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How about a modernized 4-4-0,


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And there's not a single post 1890 heavyweight wood side coach, RPO or baggage on the market!


What about IHC's 4-4-0 ?

And MDC's Palace cars?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 8, 2004 11:25 AM
you ho modelers are so spoiled, you have a metric butt ton a locomotives to you to be used. to all that read this N-SCALE NEEDS THE ATTENTION NOW NOT JUST HO. It's About time n-scale steam and good running models at that has come into the market. THANK YOU BUT DON'T STOP NOW. BACHMANN HAS A GREAT SPECTRUM LINE AND THANX FOR MAKEING THEM DCC READY. Now a Faithful model to the FlyingYankee would be nice in N-SCALE. =)...
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 8, 2004 11:25 AM
you ho modelers are so spoiled, you have a metric butt ton a locomotives to you to be used. to all that read this N-SCALE NEEDS THE ATTENTION NOW NOT JUST HO. It's About time n-scale steam and good running models at that has come into the market. THANK YOU BUT DON'T STOP NOW. BACHMANN HAS A GREAT SPECTRUM LINE AND THANX FOR MAKEING THEM DCC READY. Now a Faithful model to the FlyingYankee would be nice in N-SCALE. =)...
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 8, 2004 11:28 AM
I need 30 hour days and 8 day weeks. I want a source of old diecast steam locomotives that are considered junk by their current owners. They are a great source of bits and pieces for scratch building the locomotive you want/need. I would like to find a box full of old Varney steam locos manufactured prior to 1963, old Mantua locos from the 50's, and even old Bowser locos through the mid 60's. I know, I know, I live in a dream world.

Keep the steam up.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 8, 2004 11:28 AM
I need 30 hour days and 8 day weeks. I want a source of old diecast steam locomotives that are considered junk by their current owners. They are a great source of bits and pieces for scratch building the locomotive you want/need. I would like to find a box full of old Varney steam locos manufactured prior to 1963, old Mantua locos from the 50's, and even old Bowser locos through the mid 60's. I know, I know, I live in a dream world.

Keep the steam up.

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Posted by orsonroy on Thursday, January 8, 2004 1:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by nfmisso
How about a modernized 4-4-0,
And there's not a single post 1890 heavyweight wood side coach, RPO or baggage on the market!

What about IHC's 4-4-0 ?
And MDC's Palace cars?


Hey Nigel!

IHC's 4-4-0 isn't bad, but it's too short (lengthwise) and too tall to really represent the majority of 4-4-0s that survived past 1900 or so. I'm thinking more in the line of this:

http://donross.railspot.com/dr0301/bl77.jpg

To illustrate further, check out the differences between these two 4-4-0s:

http://donross.railspot.com/dr0201/bl54.jpg

Number 251 could be represented with the IHC engine, but there's really nothing good out there for 856.

As for the Roundhouse Pullman Palace cars, they're too odd, and of limited value. They represent cars built in the late 1880s, and are too long (80') for most applications. And Roundhouse doesn't make a coach or full baggage, only a combine, Pullman, diner and Observation. They do make good kitbash bait, though. I'm currently cutting up a few of them to kitbash into the few NKP woodsided coaches, baggage cars and RPO/smokers the road still had in 1950. It'd be nice to NOT have to kitba***hough, especially since most everyone can use a wood 62' full baggage somewhere on their layout!

Ray Breyer

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Posted by orsonroy on Thursday, January 8, 2004 1:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by nfmisso
How about a modernized 4-4-0,
And there's not a single post 1890 heavyweight wood side coach, RPO or baggage on the market!

What about IHC's 4-4-0 ?
And MDC's Palace cars?


Hey Nigel!

IHC's 4-4-0 isn't bad, but it's too short (lengthwise) and too tall to really represent the majority of 4-4-0s that survived past 1900 or so. I'm thinking more in the line of this:

http://donross.railspot.com/dr0301/bl77.jpg

To illustrate further, check out the differences between these two 4-4-0s:

http://donross.railspot.com/dr0201/bl54.jpg

Number 251 could be represented with the IHC engine, but there's really nothing good out there for 856.

As for the Roundhouse Pullman Palace cars, they're too odd, and of limited value. They represent cars built in the late 1880s, and are too long (80') for most applications. And Roundhouse doesn't make a coach or full baggage, only a combine, Pullman, diner and Observation. They do make good kitbash bait, though. I'm currently cutting up a few of them to kitbash into the few NKP woodsided coaches, baggage cars and RPO/smokers the road still had in 1950. It'd be nice to NOT have to kitba***hough, especially since most everyone can use a wood 62' full baggage somewhere on their layout!

Ray Breyer

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Posted by AggroJones on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 2:18 PM
DM&IR M4 2-8-8-4

Union Pacific 3 unit Gas Turbine

Southern Pacific F-5 2-10-2

Santa Fe 3800 class 2-10-2

Southern Pacific AC-8 4-8-8-2

Union Pacific 9000 class 4-12-2

Great Northern 4-6-6-4

a good PRR I1 2-10-0

Southern Pacific MT-4 4-8-2

any Union Pacific 2-10-2

USRA 2-10-2B

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Posted by AggroJones on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 2:18 PM
DM&IR M4 2-8-8-4

Union Pacific 3 unit Gas Turbine

Southern Pacific F-5 2-10-2

Santa Fe 3800 class 2-10-2

Southern Pacific AC-8 4-8-8-2

Union Pacific 9000 class 4-12-2

Great Northern 4-6-6-4

a good PRR I1 2-10-0

Southern Pacific MT-4 4-8-2

any Union Pacific 2-10-2

USRA 2-10-2B

"Being misunderstood is the fate of all true geniuses"

EXPERIMENTATION TO BRING INNOVATION

http://community.webshots.com/album/288541251nntnEK?start=588

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 8:59 PM
I think I need (well, okay, maybe its more of a want) to see Challenger Imports reduce the prices on all editions of their passengers trains (crafted by Samshonga) to an amount I can actually afford![:D] Failing that, I need to win the lottery, in which case the cost wouldn't matter.[:p]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 8:59 PM
I think I need (well, okay, maybe its more of a want) to see Challenger Imports reduce the prices on all editions of their passengers trains (crafted by Samshonga) to an amount I can actually afford![:D] Failing that, I need to win the lottery, in which case the cost wouldn't matter.[:p]

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