Would I find this in 1968?

[tomkat-13]

I think the ADM logo on the car & the elevator are too modern for 1968.....go with grain boxcars and Pullman Standard Covered Hopper.

[Texas Zepher]

QUOTE: Originally posted by RedGrey62
I am modelling one of the older style that is pictured on the BNSF site as it is along a former CB&Q route. I also have the ADM (ConAgra on mine) and plan to add some homemade graneries (silos) to it.

I finally got the picture working in my prior post. The elevator makes a great background, hence I only modeled the front half of it (it is also only about 1/2 the proper height. The older one will sit in the front just sort of "rotting" away, now unused. It is made out of cardboard from plans in Easy to Build Model Railroad Structures. The aluminum still gleams too much, and the flash from the camera didn't help.

I plan to cover from Denver to Kansas City next summer trying to get images of all the places the two types (or sometimes three) are sitting together.

[Anonymous]

So it sounds like the elevator would be found in 1968 but would it have that logo? and the ADM hopper was built in 1967 but it wouldn't have that logo would it?

[RedGrey62]

ADM has been around awhile. However, like most companies, they have changed their logo over the years to keep it looking modern. As someone posted in this thread, most grain was hauled in RR owned covered hoppers and boxcars vice company owned rolling stock. That's not to say they didn;t have their own cars in 1968, but you may need to do a bit more research.

Rick

[Texas Zepher]

I knew I had a good recent photo. I couldn't find it because I had filed it incorrectly.
I came across it today....

Bazine Kansas, August 2005, old meets new.

Click to the Photo to Enlarge

[Anonymous]

For the sake of other I would use both and do a little kitbashing for what you want and yes ADM elevators would work and wathlers does have add on silo's

[Anonymous]

Texas Zepher, I like the pic but I got one question. Are both elevators in service or is the old one abandoned?

[tomkat-13]

My CB&Q & NP 40' Grain Loading box cars by Athearn....I know this car was also made in GN, ATSF, SOO & UP.

[Texas Zepher]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dingoix
Texas Zepher, I like the pic but I got one question. Are both elevators in service or is the old one abandoned?

In this case I am not certain. I would say it is a pretty good guess the old one is either totally abandon, or used for something other than loading grain into rail cars.

In the photo you can see where another building used to be to the right of the old tower. The "print" of the old roof peak is still showing.

Oh yeah, another interesting thing about the elevator in this photo. Most of the time the grain bins (cylinders) are parallel to the track not perpendicular. That just shows there are all shapes and sizes.

Bazine is another potential place for my "final" layout...

[Anonymous]

While interesting to model, I'm not going to have the space to model an abbandoned elevator.

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dingoix

Texas Zepher, I like the pic but I got one question. Are both elevators in service or is the old one abandoned?

My guess is that both structures in that photo were in service at the same time. The tall concrete silos are for storage. The small square building may be a feed mill.

Back to the original question about what was around in 1968. Both types of structure have been around for over 100 years, with the smaller square style being the earlier of the two. Neither is a problem for 1968. The decision on which to use should be based more on the size of the town you are modeling and the amount of grain the surrounding area produces.

The cars are much more modern than the structures. I believe the PS2 (the square sideed one) is the earlier design. It could date back to the 50's or early 60's. The ACF model is the newest of all, and is very close to the 1968 cutoff.

There is another style of grain hopper that was definately in use in 1968. The cylindrical hopper pre-dates the ACF, and they are still in service today.

Here is a model of the cylindrical style.



The next 4 photos are of the small farming community of Baldwin, WI. The surrounding area is covered with dairy farms and also produces corn and soy beans. None of these businesses are served by rail anymore, but they all were at one time.









As for the ADM logo, it may go back to 1968. They have introduced a new one recently.

[Anonymous]

I'm gonna research ADM logos today.

QUOTE: My guess is that both structures in that photo were in service at the same time. The tall concrete silos are for storage. The small square building may be a feed mill.

That's quite possible too.

QUOTE: The decision on which to use should be based more on the size of the town you are modeling and the amount of grain the surrounding area produces.

Well, it's a very small town but the area I'm modeling produces a LOT of grain.

[Anonymous]

The ADM logo on the blue hopper will work for 1968! Check ADM history to learn more. It says the logo came out in 1962.

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dingoix

The ADM logo on the blue hopper will work for 1968! Check ADM history to learn more. It says the logo came out in 1962.

Cool. Your photo shows a blue car, but the early ones may have been white, with the logo centered on the car side.

I spent a little time looking up ACF. I had no idea that they had been around since 1899. I never did find a date for their rounded side hopper design though.

[RedGrey62]

dingoix, here's a good picture archive. Use the search an look for ADM. The pictures are pretty modern but you can see some of their facilities in the background.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/default.aspx

Rick

[Anonymous]

Rick
thanks for that web site its good.
also for the record at Cargill we called the silos, bins, I just used the word silo to help newbies understand what the tanks where.