What's this engine called ?...

[Anonymous]

What would an E8 looking diesel with "square" port holes be ?... Also, what year did it appear ?.

Any help on this would be grately appreciated.

trainluver1

[trolleyboy]

If the port holes are square I'd surmise that it is an E-7possibly an E-9. Not entirly sure on the build dates but i'd hazard a guess at the mid fifties. Rob

[METRO]

The E7 and earlier E-series locomotives had paired square windows on the side of the body. The E7 was EMD's first postwar passenger locomotive and was quite popular with American railroads.

Unless modified the E9 did not have square portholes. The E7 was the direct ancestor of the E8.

~METRO

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by METRO

The E7 and earlier E-series locomotives had paired square windows on the side of the body. The E7 was EMD's first postwar passenger locomotive and was quite popular with American railroads.

~METRO

Do you know if Union Pacific had any, and if so, did they pull any passenger service-as in streamliners possibly ?.

"Thanks"

trainluver1

[egmurphy]

E3's, E4's, and E6's and I think E7's all had square windows instead of the round 'port holes'.
E3's - 1939
E4's - 1938
E6's - 1939
E7's - 1945

E7's may be what you're looking at, as I think the others had more slanted noses, while the &7 was more vertical, like the E8's. There were more E7's built too.

But, not being a real diseasel fan, I could be wrong.


Regards

Ed

[trolleyboy]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1

QUOTE: Originally posted by METRO

The E7 and earlier E-series locomotives had paired square windows on the side of the body. The E7 was EMD's first postwar passenger locomotive and was quite popular with American railroads.

~METRO

Do you know if Union Pacific had any, and if so, did they pull any passenger service-as in streamliners possibly ?. Yes to the did they own them.And I beleave they pulled the "city of"trains as well as generally passenger trains as well. Rob

"Thanks"

trainluver1

[Anonymous]

Okay. This engine is long (like an E8), has a very slanted nose and the double square windows along its sides. So according to you guys, it must be an E7 that came out in 1945 (?)...
The reason I'm so interested in this engine is because I have an opportunity to buy one along with a B unit and full consist of passenger cars from a guy I know that's getting out of trains, but I don't want to end up with something that never really existed...
Another guy I know recently bought a so called Santa Fe Super Chief that included an E8 A & B set along with a full consist of smooth side cars only to find out that it never existed in that form...

"Thx"

trainluver1

[trolleyboy]

If it has a really long slanted nose it will be more than likely an E-6 or earlier. E-7's 8's and 9's have a more F-7 type "bulldog nose" with less of a slant. If it's an E-6 I'm not sure that UP had them i'll defer to UP fans on that one. Rob

[davekelly]

trainluver

I'll agree with trolleyboy that it sounds like an E-6 unit as the E-7's nose isn't as slanted, but I'm not sure who would have made such a unit in HO. Is it brass?

[davekelly]

Ok. Stupid me. Proto made E'6. Here's a pic from a website showing what is labeled as an E-3. http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upl32.jpg. There is no label for what this is supposed to be: http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upl33.jpg. This site http://utahrails.net/all-time/classic-index.php contains a diesel roster for the UP and E-6's are listed.

[egmurphy]

One possible question regarding UP E6's, is whether they had round or square windows. My copy of "Diesel Locomotives: The First 50 Years" seems to indicate that UP ordered their E6's to be customized with round windows. It doesn't say that all UP E6's came that way, but the one photo of a UP E6 that is included does show round windows.

If this type of detail is really important to you, it may be worth doing a bit more investigation.


Regards

Ed

[jimrice4449]

Quick spotting feature for E-7...is there a vertical louver just behind the cab door? If so it's an E-7. The slant nose indicates an E- 3 or E-6. There's no visual difference between them. UP had them and most were assigned to "City Of...." trains. They had the squared windows. The UP units with port holes (pre-WWII} were E-2s and had distictive bulbous noses. If you're really fussy the UP E-6s had slots cut in the pilots but most people don't bother with them.

[davekelly]

trainluver,

And you probably thought it was a simple question didn't you? lol

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by davekelly

Ok. Stupid me. Proto made E'6. Here's a pic from a website showing what is labeled as an E-3. http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upl32.jpg. There is no label for what this is supposed to be: http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upl33.jpg. This site http://utahrails.net/all-time/classic-index.php contains a diesel roster for the UP and E-6's are listed.

Thank you Mr. davekelly...

The utahrails site was just what I needed. What I'll have is an "E6" set, engine number 997 for unit A and B unit number 987c. Both of these units actually existed, and were used for passenger service by Union Pacific from 1948 to 1956. I'm going to sleep tonight a happy man...

Thanks guys, you don't know how much I appreciate all of your help in this.

trainluver1