Trains.com

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Help needed for Walthers Modern Roundhouse

4082 views
20 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • 333 posts
Help needed for Walthers Modern Roundhouse
Posted by jcopilot on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 5:17 PM

I'm about to start attaching the walls of my Walthers Modern Roundhouse kit soon followed by the roof.  I've noticed the roof is composed of several pieces that lay on the top of the walls and/or the roof supports inside.  There isn't a lot of contact between the roof pieces and the walls or roof supports.  I'd like to make the roof removable, but am stumped on how.  I've thought of gluing the roof sections together, edge-to-edge, but that seems a little weak to me, like the roof might break apart when I try to lift it off the building.

Has anyone done this?  Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

Jeff

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing twice.
  • Member since
    August 2003
  • From: Collinwood, Ohio, USA
  • 16,367 posts
Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 6:35 PM

Mine is nine stall. I made the center "monitor" sections removable in three pieces. Also the front and rear sections come off as well. I have nine, three-segment sections that are removable. They fit very nicely and do not "leak" light since there is a cove molding around the edges.

 RH_inplace by Edmund, on Flickr

I set the two outer sections in place then hold these down with the center section. I glued strip styrene on either side of the joint which secures the outer sections.

 RH_fini by Edmund, on Flickr

I really don't have detail photos of how I did it. I'll see if I can get more photos as time permits. My roof segments are securely glued and they fit remarkably well to the walls and inside beam supports.

 RH_timber_ext1 by Edmund, on Flickr

 RH_overhead1 by Edmund, on Flickr

 RH_wall_clamp by Edmund, on Flickr

Good Luck, Ed

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,280 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 6:44 PM

I also have the 9-stall Walthers Cornerstone modern roundhouse. I completely assembled it and painted it, but I did not glue down the roof sections. They just rest in place on top of the wall partitions. Fits like a glove.

Rich

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: Bakersfield, CA 93308
  • 6,526 posts
Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 7:10 PM

I have a CMR roundhouse with similar roof construction and faced the same problem.  I bought a large piece of bullion board at a local craft store and used the supplied roof sections as a template and made a single section roof for both front and rear sections.





I’ve only had to remove the rear section a couple of times in almost 20 years but it sure is easy to remove and put back.


Mel
 
Modeling the early to mid 1950s SP in HO scale since 1951



My Model Railroad    
http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/
 
Bakersfield, California
 
Aging is not for wimps.

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • From: 4610 Metre's North of the Fortyninth on the left coast of Canada
  • 9,352 posts
Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, July 6, 2021 7:24 PM

I did glue all the roof panels together and while quite flexible it never broke apart. Mine is removable, I put a thin strip of camper (foam)tape along the front and the back that allows a snug fit when I push the roof on. I have taken it off several times and it is no worse for wear.

Brent

"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."

  • Member since
    November 2013
  • 2,756 posts
Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, July 7, 2021 5:28 PM

Hi there. I glued strips of styrene underneath on the joints. To compensate for the increased thickness, I scraped off and filed the top of the wood frames. It's solid as a rock...

Simon

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • 333 posts
Posted by jcopilot on Sunday, July 11, 2021 4:16 PM

So, Rich, each of your roof panels is just resting in place?  Ever have to remove one or more to get access to something inside?  Was that a problem?

 

Jeff

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing twice.
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • 333 posts
Posted by jcopilot on Sunday, July 11, 2021 4:19 PM

Brent, 

You glued the panels together at the seams with no backing?  Each panel has ridges along the sides to line it up with the roof support and I've noticed that some 'adjustment' is needed to get the panel properly in place.  Your 'one-piece' panels settle into place without 'adjustment'?

Jeff

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing twice.
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • 333 posts
Posted by jcopilot on Sunday, July 11, 2021 4:20 PM

Simon,

I wish I had thought of this before I glued all the roof supports in place.  Sounds like the ideal solution.

Thanks,

Jeff

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing twice.
  • Member since
    July 2006
  • From: 4610 Metre's North of the Fortyninth on the left coast of Canada
  • 9,352 posts
Posted by BATMAN on Sunday, July 11, 2021 4:35 PM

jcopilot
Your 'one-piece' panels settle into place without 'adjustment'?

Pretty much.

Along the right and left edges, I glued a thin piece of styrene to combat light leakage, made it look like flashing. 

On the front and rear edges, under the roof I used truck canopy tape cut down to very thin strips. It was carefully placed and I can gently push down on the roof when installing it and the foam rubber tape does a friction fit holding the roof flat.

I have had the roof on and off many times with no issues.

 

Brent

"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,280 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, July 11, 2021 4:55 PM

jcopilot

So, Rich, each of your roof panels is just resting in place?  Ever have to remove one or more to get access to something inside?  Was that a problem? 

Jeff 

Yep, each roof panel is just resting in place, and it works just fine. Been that way for 15+ years and never a problem, no warping, no nothing.

I chose to keep the roof panels unglued so that I could reach the rails inside the roundhouse to clean them, and I do that about once a year. Having the roof panels loose is also a big help in the event of a derailement inside the roundhouse. This can sometimes occur with steam engine pilot trucks or trailing trucks.

More power to anyone who glues all of the panels together into one giant roof section. With a 9-stall roundhouse, I cannot imagine dealing with such a floppy monstrosity. 

As has been pointed out, the design of the roundhouse makes the joining of roof panels together a challenging undertaking. The wall partitions are higher than the roof panels which sit up against the wall partitions, so you need some sort of support underneath the roof panels which is all but impossible because of the position of the wall partitions.

Rich

P1020028.jpg

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    August 2003
  • From: Collinwood, Ohio, USA
  • 16,367 posts
Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, July 11, 2021 5:59 PM

richhotrain
More power to anyone who glues all of the panels together into one giant roof section.

 

 

I agree.

I mentioned in my first reply that I "ganged" my roof sections into nine, three panel segments. I found this to be a workable compromise:

 

 Roundhouse-roof-OA by Edmund, on Flickr

 

Gravity holds them nicely in place.

 Roundhouse-roof-c by Edmund, on Flickr

 

I did not modify the framing timbers in any way. Nor add stiffeners to the roof panels.

 Roundhouse-roof-b by Edmund, on Flickr

 

I DID add "battens" to both sides of each center section. These battens overlap each of the outer panels and simply makes the joints look neater. I forget what size Evergreen styrene I used. Maybe .080 x .125?

The yellow is Kapton tape that I didn't bother to remove after the wiring was done.

 Roundhouse-roof-a by Edmund, on Flickr

 Roundhouse-roof by Edmund, on Flickr

BATTENS

From the inside:

 Roundhouse1 by Edmund, on Flickr

Because of the good fit of the Walthers design I do not get any light leaks at the wall or roof joints.

 Q_on_TT by Edmund, on Flickr

     

Good Luck, Ed

  • Member since
    January 2017
  • From: Southern Florida Gulf Coast
  • 18,255 posts
Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, July 11, 2021 9:18 PM

Well, all this talk of removable roofs has me over-thinking things tonight.

My roundhouse will be nearly bisected by the backdrop. I will have some creativity in store to get the roof cuts right and have the visible portions removeable.

-Kevin

Living the dream.

  • Member since
    November 2013
  • 2,756 posts
Posted by snjroy on Monday, July 12, 2021 10:15 AM

jcopilot

Simon,

I wish I had thought of this before I glued all the roof supports in place.  Sounds like the ideal solution.

Thanks,

Jeff

 

Sorry for the late reply...  I actually scraped and filed away the plastic when the structure was built-up. I used an Xacto blade to scrape off the plastic then I filed it smooth. It was a tedious job, but well worth the effort.

Simon

  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: Canada, eh?
  • 13,375 posts
Posted by doctorwayne on Monday, July 12, 2021 1:50 PM

My roundhouse was built from a Korber kit (resin castings for the walls, stripwood for the roof supports, matteboard for the roof panels and a bag of gravel-like material to create a tar & gravel roof).
I gave the stripwood, matteboard, and gravel to a friend, then used .060" sheet styrene to create a floor (with faux inspection pits), and used .125"x.125"Evergreen strip material to create  roof support posts, with gusset plates intended to receive the roof trusses (photos will enlarge if clicked-upon)....

I later realised that it would be difficult to guide the trusses into place between those gussets, so simply sliced off the portions which extended above the top members.
The kit instructions recommended ca to hold the front and rear walls together, but because they were a poor fit, I opted to use Evergreen H-columns and JB weld for a much sturdier assembly.  The side walls were one-piece resin castings but also a poor fit, so I used screws to attach them to the front and rear walls...

countersinking the screwheads, then covering them with JB weld.  I then scribed mortar grooves into the filler, and airbrushed the entire exterior with orange Pollyscale paint, later using pre-mixed drywall mud to add mortar detail.

I hemmed and hawed about how to make the roof removeable, but finally decided to build the trusses, using more Evergreen strip material, and the upper portion of the main sidewall as a pattern for the correct profile.
The assembled trusses were then set in place, and connecting cross-trusses were built to suit, cemented in place piece-by-piece to join the main trusses into a one-piece assembly...

Next, I built cornices for the tops of the front and rear walls...

...to create an even base for the roof, plus eavetroughs for roof run-off...

With the trusse assembly in-place...

...it was easy to measure for roof panels and to cement them either permanently, or, in some cases, temporarily, then remove the roof assembly at intervals to make more permanent connections.
Once the roof was fully attached to the supporting trusses, I decided to add smokehoods, and simply built them from sheet styrene, then cemented them in place...

As you can see, I didn't bother painting (or weathering) the underside of the roof, as I don't plan to light or detail the interior.

The roof pretty-much snaps into place...

...and remains easy to remove, when necessary.

I also ditched the kit's doors (they were a poor fit and rather clunky-looking), replacing them with ones from Grandt Line...

This area is mostly "finished"....

...except for the Walthers turntable, which needs a few modifications for better manual operation...

Wayne

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,280 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Monday, July 12, 2021 4:33 PM

Dunno, if you have the Walthers Cornerstone Modern Roundhouse, it sure does seem a lot easier to just set the roof panels in place without gluing them.

Rich

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    November 2013
  • 2,756 posts
Posted by snjroy on Tuesday, July 13, 2021 6:43 AM

richhotrain

Dunno, if you have the Walthers Cornerstone Modern Roundhouse, it sure does seem a lot easier to just set the roof panels in place without gluing them.

Rich

 

That was my initial plan Rich, but they fall off very easilly if left in three separate pieces.

Simon

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,280 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:05 AM

snjroy
 
richhotrain

Dunno, if you have the Walthers Cornerstone Modern Roundhouse, it sure does seem a lot easier to just set the roof panels in place without gluing them.

Rich 

That was my initial plan Rich, but they fall off very easilly if left in three separate pieces. 

Simon 

Simon, my reply is not to challenge your experience. If the unglued roof panels easily fall off, then they easily fall off.

That said, in my 15 years experience with the Walthers Cornerstone Modern Roundhouse, no unglued roof panel has ever fallen off. Looking at the design of the roof, each stall consists of three roof panels, each at a different level and unconnected to one another. The roof panels which run horizontally across all of the stalls each set into their own position. So, I am puzzled as to why yours fall off at all, let alone easily.

Rich

P1020028.jpg

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    November 2013
  • 2,756 posts
Posted by snjroy on Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:37 AM

Ah, maybe because I don't have the Modern Roundhouse (!). The design is a bit different, from what I can see from the pictures. 

Simon

  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: Canada, eh?
  • 13,375 posts
Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, July 14, 2021 12:04 AM

jcopilot
I'm about to start attaching the walls of my Walthers Modern Roundhouse kit soon followed by the roof. I've noticed the roof is composed of several pieces that lay on the top of the walls and/or the roof supports inside. There isn't a lot of contact between the roof pieces and the walls or roof supports. I'd like to make the roof removable, but am stumped on how. I've thought of gluing the roof sections together, edge-to-edge, but that seems a little weak to me, like the roof might break apart when I try to lift it off the building. Has anyone done this? Does anyone have any ideas?

Rather than gluing the roof sections only edge-to-edge, how about also using a glued-on piece of strip styrene, perhaps .020"thick x .060" wide as a batten.  Painted the same colour as the roof, they won't be all that obvious.

To keep the roof sections from sliding off, you could cement small blocks of styrene to the underside of the roof panels, in positions adjacent to outside walls or to the trusses supporting the roof.  That could make the roof a snap-on and snap-off operation.

The roof on my roundhouse uses the support trusses as a "key" for alignment and the installed roof is simply "trapped" in position, by the upper portion of the walls.

Wayne

  • Member since
    November 2013
  • 2,756 posts
Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:49 AM

Yes, to keep the roof in place, I glued a small block to create a friction between the structure and roof. The roof is slided in. The snug fit prevents any movement.

Simon

 20210714_100921 on Flickr

 

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Users Online

There are no community member online

Search the Community

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!