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Steamliners In HO

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Steamliners In HO
Posted by Johnny J on Thursday, March 21, 2019 9:35 PM

I have found a whole new catagory the Steamliner. Being born in 1968 I did not get to experience Steam or the transistion to Deisel Electrics.

I have become really infatuated with Otto Kuhler's Southern Railroad 4-6-2 locomotive 1380.  I find that to be the most beautiful locomotive I've ever seen only second to Lehigh Valley's 4-6-2 locomotive 2089.  I have found this locomotive was made by Weaverly in "O" gauge but did anyone ever make one in "HO"? I have found BLI makes some Steamliners but did they ever make either of these? And if so where would you find one? Other than EBAY is there anyplace to look?

I figured the Model Railroader Community might have the answers.

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Posted by Johnny J on Monday, March 25, 2019 3:40 PM

Image result for lehigh valley 4-6-2 steamliner

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Posted by Johnny J on Monday, March 25, 2019 3:43 PM

 

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/53/27/4a/53274aca7b56a28efcf1fa21ba5a0302.jpg

 

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Posted by tstage on Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:47 PM

steemtrayn

I like the lines of the Southern 4-6-2.  I'm still partial to the Dreyfuss Hudson though:

 

 

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:57 PM

Johnny J
I have become really infatuated with Otto Kuhler's Southern Railroad 4-6-2 locomotive 1380.

Perhaps the recent Bachmann offering may interest you? More Raymond Loewy than Otto Kuhler:

http://mrr.trains.com/news-reviews/staff-reviews/2019/03/product-review-bachmann-ho-scale-prr-streamlined-k4s

With a little body putty and styrene you could come up with a kitbashed Steamliner.

The Santa Fe "Blue Goose" was offered by AHM/Rivarossi some years ago. If you found one of those on the secondary market that would also fit the bill.

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by Paul3 on Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:08 PM

I have always been rather partial to the New Haven RR's I-5 4-6-4 streamliner (the only streamlined steam enigne in New England):

https://www.classicstreamliners.com/lo-nh-i-5-class-4-6-4.html

When they first arrived on the NH in 1937, a old head engineer came into the roundhouse and saw one for the first time.  His stunned reaction?  "Well, don't that look like Fred Astaire."

BLI has made this model in HO as well as NJ/Custom Brass and W&R.  Weaver made it in O-scale.

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Posted by tstage on Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:37 PM

The NH 4-6-4 is a handsome one, Paul, and I thought BLI did a nice job with those.  Weren't they brass-hybrids, also?

Tom

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Posted by Steven Otte on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:35 AM

Please remember, folks, not to post copyrighted photos in the Forum without permission of the owner.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:41 AM

OOOPS!  That would be me.  I'll double check from now on.  I thought it was OK.  I made the OP's link into a picture.  Indifferent

Mike.

EDIT:  OK, I just opened the picture again, and right on the bottom is the copyright.  Dunce

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Posted by Johnny J on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:12 AM

Dave,

That's the excact model I was looking to find!! But the price seems really high.  Is that normal for Brass models?  It looks like Ajin Percision made it and that Overland  Models imported it.  Is this a really good model or is it the rareity the reason that it is priced as it is?  Or is this just what brass locomotives cost?  Having never owned one I know nothing of this market.

Also the same questions for the Southern.  Made by D&D and imported by Percision Scale Co.  Since the prices were close I'm guessing rarity and not the quality of the model.

Also I am trying to get my set converted over to DCC so I'd have to add the decoder and sound.  But that's a whole other conversation in the DCC Forum.

Thanks...Johnny J

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Posted by Johnny J on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:23 PM

Ed,

While Loewy had nice designs I really like the bullet nose design .  Even B&O Railroad's Royal Blue has a nice design.  I remember seeing an inverted bathtub style of the early NYC commedore as a toy.  As a kid I remember thinking this isn't a train! Where did they come up with this crazy idea.  Little did I know but 30 years later as an adult I would find out it was a locomotive.  I had only ever seen EMD's.  I even bought an N gauge ALCO locomotive with D&RGW colors thinking...well it's not quite right but will do because of the colors.  Now I love it! How our tastes change over time.

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Posted by Mheetu on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:27 PM

They did make them in HO once upon a time by a company name Rivarossi.  You can still found some of them on Ebay but they can be expensive.  More recent once would be MTH, BLI and Bachmann

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:51 PM

Johnny J
As a kid I remember thinking this isn't a train! Where did they come up with this crazy idea.

Hi, Johnny

You can read about Carl F. Kantola and his designs as he applied them to New York Central locomotives here:

https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/pages-from-1981q3.pdf

He worked closely with the Case School of Applied Science in Cleveland, Ohio in 1934. Many of the design features that were credited to the young Henry Dreyfuss were actually worked out by Carl and his boys.

The War years weren't always very kind to streamlined locomotives:

 NYC_5445_Elkhart by Edmund, on Flickr

Cheers, Ed

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Posted by BN7150 on Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:08 PM

Please do not forget the ATSF Valley Flyer.

ATSF Valley Flyer

Weaver product from my blog

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Posted by Johnny J on Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:50 PM

I had never seen ATSF'S Valley Flyer or the CNJ'S Blue Comet that were on your website.  Very beautiful!  But since they were made by Weaver are were they in O gauge?

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Posted by Johnny J on Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:02 PM

Wow you were right about the price.  Do you know if they were $575 or more originally or if this is a price due to rarity? The set is amazing just what I was looking to find.  I don't know anything about Rivarossi  and it looks like they got bought out by Hornsby and don't produce any longer if I read that correctly.

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Posted by Paul3 on Friday, March 29, 2019 12:19 PM

tstage,
Yep, these NH I-5's were BLI Hybrids and BLI All-Brass.  They came out very nice indeed.  These models are superior to the NJ/CB and W&R models (and have DCC/Sound).  BLI even did a second run of the Hybrids with rubber driver tires (tho' honestly, they really don't need them; I pull a dozen passenger cars with my 1st run model)...and I think the 2nd run has smoke, too.

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Posted by Mheetu on Saturday, March 30, 2019 4:36 PM

Johnny J

I had never seen ATSF'S Valley Flyer or the CNJ'S Blue Comet that were on your website.  Very beautiful!  But since they were made by Weaver are were they in O gauge?

 

 

For Ho i think IHC makes a semi streamline ATSF valley flyer 4-6-2. 

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