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The ettiquite of interchange with a famous layout?

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The ettiquite of interchange with a famous layout?
Posted by ruderunner on Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:19 AM

So I have a track plan for my dream layout, and realized that in one little town I could actually have an interchange with the Midland Road. It certainly would be easy enough to add the track, build a couple locomotives and cabese and have them show up from time to time.

But, would that be ok? Would it be considered poaching? Copyright infringement? Or would it be flattering? 

I know some modelers have done the interchange thing but in small groups, some have cars lettered for other roads and communicate with the originator, some actually mail cars to each other. This is through mutual agreement of course, 

In my case though I don't know Mr Koester, not sure how to contact him and the Allegheny Midland doesn't exist anymore.

So what say the crowd?

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, November 19, 2017 8:02 AM

Wow, I just posted a new thread with a similar theme!

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I intended to interchange with the GORRE & DAPHETID for years. I contacted one of the custom decal producers, and they said they would not print decals for a famous ficticious model railroad. I have no idea if it was for legal reasons, or just personal policy.

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I know the VIRGINIAN & OHIO actually has a fan club that has sold V&O decals.

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Personally, at this point in my life, I would be thrilled if someone interchanged with the STRATTON & GILLETTE, but I have also given away hundred of decal sets and dozens on painted SGRR cars through the years.

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I know that Fox Valley and Intermountain have both offered items pre-painted for the ALLEGHENY MIDLAND, but I do not know if these were authorized by Tony Koester.

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I do have two of the Fox Valley AM wagon top box cars on my roster. I also have a brass Overland wagon top covered hopper that I want to paint for the AM, but I have no idea how to get a set of black AM decals.

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My gut feeling is there is not problem with you decorating cars for the AM and using it in your operations, but publishing pictures of such equipment might be an issue.

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Where would you get decals?

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Posted by BigDaddy on Sunday, November 19, 2017 8:11 AM

I would be flattered.   He does write for Model Railroader and they publish his books.  I'll bet if you sent him a letter c/o MR via snail mail, they would forward it.

 Even though we live in a country that has more lawyers than the rest of the entire world, do we worry about putting  CSX or UP decals on rolling stock or locos that we have built or repainted?

 Edit  Commercial production is different. I think Bachmann had Gorre & Daphetid cars.  I can see how the originator of a famous railroad would want a piece of that action.
 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, November 19, 2017 8:17 AM

ruderunner

So I have a track plan for my dream layout, and realized that in one little town I could actually have an interchange with the Midland Road. It certainly would be easy enough to add the track, build a couple locomotives and cabese and have them show up from time to time.

But, would that be ok? Would it be considered poaching? Copyright infringement? Or would it be flattering? 

I know some modelers have done the interchange thing but in small groups, some have cars lettered for other roads and communicate with the originator, some actually mail cars to each other. This is through mutual agreement of course, 

In my case though I don't know Mr Koester, not sure how to contact him and the Allegheny Midland doesn't exist anymore.

So what say the crowd?

 

I have a number of cars on my layout from various famous model railroads including the AM. The NMRA offered many such cars for years.

I would think that the AM cars recently offered were done with Tony's blessing.

I never considered an actual interchange track, that might actually prompt a desire for a loco or two as well.

I suspect Tony would be flattered in any case. I have corresponded with him in the past, but not recently. He may see this thread, or get word of it, and let you know.

As you mentioned, some modelers, famous or not, who freelance, are interested in exchanging home road rolling stock or decals with other freelance modelers. You never know unless you ask.

A simple note to the editor here may get you in touch with Tony.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, November 19, 2017 8:24 AM

BigDaddy
I think Bachmann had Gorre & Daphetid cars.

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Roundhouse/MDC also had an extensive line of G&D rolling stock. The old time passenger cars were really quite handsome.

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Posted by emdmike on Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:27 PM

You can also add the Prospect and Upper Ridge (PURR) to the fictious lines that have had models made in thier paint scheme as a special run sold to the public.  Try Cederleaf Graphics for your decals.  He does mine for me.  While he caters mostly to the G scale world.  If you know a height to your letters and hearlds, he can print them for you.  I would only see a legal issue if you were printing them, installing them and selling the models for a profit. For personal use, I see no issue and most of the late modelers would be smiling seeing thier railways live on thru others.  I am sure you could get a message to Tony Koster thru the editor at MRR to ask permission to use the Midland Road scheme on your layout if you wish to have his blessing on what you want to do.  With that in mind, I personaly would make sure it was done in the spirit of thier modeling to honor them and thier contribution to the hobby.  Somewhere I have one the PURR cars that I picked up at a train show years ago.  Always loved the cat logo he used.   

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Posted by maxman on Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:10 PM

Since Intermountain made an AM SD40-2 (example here: https://www.walthers.com/emd-sd40-2-w-loksound-dcc-allegheny-midland-tony-koester-s-model-railroad-red-yellow), and diesel decals appear to be available (example here: https://modernrails.com/products/allegheny-midland-diesel-ho-decal-set), and Fox Valley made a car (example here: http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Fox-Valley-Models-HO-Box-Car-AM-p/fvm-30332.htm),

I think you are good to go without any more anxiety.  All you need is a track and the dollars to buy the stuff.

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Posted by ruderunner on Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:46 PM

Well I was thinking of a more general response, not just limited to the AM and my little pike.

So anyone here interchange with GD, VO or other famous layout? Howard what would you say?

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Posted by BRAKIE on Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:26 PM

Back in the  80s my  Dayton Terminal Ry interchange with the V&O at Dayton..DT sole engine was a BB S12.

Does anybody remember this boxcar?

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 19, 2017 4:24 PM

I'm pretty sure Tony Koester or any famous modeler would be cool with you interchanging with their railroad. After all some do let companies sell cars and locos decorated in their paint schemes. From a narrative stand point them cars would have had to get on your layout somehow. A real breech of modeller etiquette would be claiming you invented the Allegheny Midland and not him. lol

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Posted by ruderunner on Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:46 PM

I need to update my signature but...

I'm modeling the C and P portion of the PC. Including the Powhatan secondary which is what the AM would have crossed on its way to Dillonvale. I think Tony called the interchange town Warrenton but I'd have to double-check the track maps his book. So from a plausiblity standpoint, at least my tracks exist and the crossing may have too, just under NKP ownership most likely.

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Posted by RobertSchuknecht on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 5:58 PM

I have one Allegheny Midland and two V&O cars in my car rotation. I found the cars on Ebay. Since I model Chicago I don't model an Interchange with either railroad, but the cars do show up on trains occasionally.

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Posted by davidmurray on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:33 PM

I  have great northern cars, two club cars,  CP cars, etc.

All railroads interchange with all others, at least in theory.  Your industry sends/receives from industry XX in town YY which he modeled. 

The example of you owning the same car CN204309 that I do and Emailing me that it has left your layout and should arrive on mine in 4 operating sessions would of course have to be pre arranged as an ongoing thing.

Just my opinion.

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

David Murray from Oshawa, Ontario Canada

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