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Over hauling my garage/layout lighting

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Over hauling my garage/layout lighting
Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, October 27, 2017 6:11 AM

I’m almost finished with my garage/layout lighting, with the super high cost for power in California I’m going with LED lighting.
 
I do a lot of night running to show off the lighting on my layout.  I’m using a single 4100K 7 watt LED flood for moonlight attached to the ceiling in a corner to enhance the shadow effect.  For daylight operations I’m using five 65 watt BR30 LED floods
 
For working on my layout I’m installing 8’ 40watt LED bulbs into the five existing two bulb fluorescent strip fixtures, individually controlled.  
 
To help seeing in the dark to move around I went with some 12 volt 5050 SMD LED Sticky Strips under the perimeter of my layout.  I power them with a DC to DC convertor so that I can adjust the brightness, for my layout 8 to 9 volts works the best just barely lighting up the carpet and doesn’t disturb the layout lighting.
 
I'm Going Green, not really, I'm just saving $$$ from California's “Reddy Kilowatt” ridicules rates.
 
 
Mel
 
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Posted by mlehman on Friday, October 27, 2017 7:10 AM

Mel,

You're being cool Cool, too, which is one of the best by-products of turning to LEDs for lighting. That's probably at least as great a benefit with LEDs in Bakersfield as it is in Urbana. Makes a huge difference in operator comfort, even with A/C on.

Mike Lehman

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, October 27, 2017 8:22 AM

I figure they will pay for themselves in about a year and a half.  Our power rate is currently 23¢ per KW and its going up.
 
I’ve cutover to all LED in the house and when the garage is done I’ll be 100% LED lighting.
 
The new LEDs will save me big bucks over time but it’s still incandescent all the way on my layout for the 50s era.
 
Mel
 
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Posted by rrinker on Friday, October 27, 2017 8:58 AM

 I switched my entire house to LEDs shortly after moving, and there was a noticeable difference in my electric bill - particularly when I replaced the 4x 150 watt floodlights in the back yard with LED equivalents - which COMBINED draw less than 100 watts. They are on frequently because of letting the dogs out.

 So no surprise, my plan for lighting the layout is 100% LED. That's another one fo those Arduino projects - a controller for th elighting. The RGB strips I looked at so far come with wimpy controllers that can only do one reel, plus have too gross a step in PWM for smooth transistions between colors. There's no way one controller could do the whole layout - well, with REALLY huge MOSFETS and lots of cooling it could - so my plan is to make something that can easily synchronize multiple controllers from one master. This will not just be 3 lines, for R, G, and B, but also an additional line for a blue set for night time, and 2 for white strips for the daytime (possibly 3 if 2 rows plus the RGB on white aren't enough). At least, that's the plan, so I can do sunrise/sunset as well as day or night. Might just go and put 8 channels on the controller to make it even and handle any eventuality. Or just make the master controller and have it put out DMX protocol so I can just buy commercial drivers.

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Posted by dstarr on Friday, October 27, 2017 9:15 AM

I haven't tried the LED lamps yet.  But the new fluorescents, the 48 inch skinny tubes with electronic ballasts give much better light than the traditional cool white bulbs.  They come marked for color temperature, 6000K to 9300K.  Real sunlight is 6300K.  And they have enough red in their output to make layout colors look a lot better.  I only paid $32 per single tube fixture last year.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, October 27, 2017 9:35 AM

I’ve only been on LED lighting in the house for about 5 months but even my wife likes the LEDs better than Fluorescent.  It seems that the LED Lumen is brighter than a Fluorescent Lumen.  I replaced the 4’ 40 watt Fluorescents in the bathrooms first and two LEDs looked as bright as four Fluorescent tubes.
 
I tried one pair of the 8’ LEDs in the garage before I ordered the rest and they also look brighter.  Given that Fluorescents do dim as they age the LEDs might not be brighter.  I believe that the light dispersion from a LED tube is much better than a Fluorescent tube.
 
The single two tube fixture in the garage appears to be as bright as two Fluorescent fixtures.  The LEDs are much better for working on my layout.
 
Mel
 
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Posted by selector on Friday, October 27, 2017 10:13 AM

I replaced one of those 1960's three pot overhead fixtures in our kitchen with a 1' X 4' flat LED overhead panel from Home Depot two years ago. The new panel is as close to a skylight as one can get, but I can install it myself and it would cost 1/10th of the price and time.

Home Depot used to sell an 18" square version of the same thing from the same company, but I don't see them on their website for Canada...only the larger version we used in our kitchen.  Still, at the time, I purchased four of the square ones and had a pro install them in my new train room partitioned inside our double-wide garage.  They are truly amazing and leave a very natural light all over the layout.  

I thought we would save a bundle on power, but the wife wanted a two-seater Spaberry jacuzzi.  Zip it!

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Friday, October 27, 2017 10:25 AM

On wimpy RGB controllers...you aren't supposed to use a single controller only. you use a single controller and amplifiers which they sell. you've got to wire up the led ribbons from separate supplies anyway. It's essentially the same as a DCC base station+boosters. THose amps are for sale on amazon.

Not to poo poo the custom Arduino solution. That's valid and if you like to tinker, even more fun..just for anyone reading along that isn't interested in that. 

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:26 AM

Went CFL's about 7 years or more ago and they were cheap as they were supsuidised by the power co., like 25cents as bulb at times. Leds's got reasonable about a years or two ago, now they are downright cheap at as little as $1 a peice but in the time since they became common, the power consumption went down too as they used to take about as much power as a CFL (which is  1/4 or less of incandesent) to almost 1/2 the power of a CFL. Best part is that both use my old track lighting system (which was very cheap), you just screw them in.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:44 AM

I bought the LED type tube lighting that needs rewiring and removing the ballast. The rest are regular screw in replacements, even candelabra bulbs come in LEDs.  Some are real low cost while others are not, the 8’ tube are 10 for $130, not that much more than a 10 pack of Fluorescents and they are a bit brighter than a Fluorescent.
 
The strobe effect is still there with LEDs but not near as bad as the Fluorescent effect.  
 
Mel
 
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My Model Railroad   
 
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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:53 AM

I have the 4', two bulb fluorescent lights.  Can I just change the tubes to LED, or do I need to install new fixtures ?

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:09 PM

 There are two types of LED tube replacements, ones that keep the existing ballast and thus just screw in in place of the old flourescent tube, and ones where you need to rewire the fixture to remove the ballasts. The latter are better, even if they are a little more work. The ballasts are ineffecient (even the newer electronic ones aren't awesome) and just something to fail which will require opening up the fixture anyway.

 The easiest way is probbaly to replace the whole fixture, then you are only swapping the power wires feeding in to it.

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Posted by csxns on Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:44 PM

[quote user="RR_Mel"]with the super high cost for power in California.Why is that?

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Posted by RR_Mel on Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:17 PM

[quote user="csxns"]

RR_Mel
with the super high cost for power in California.Why is that?
 

Power in California weather it be Reddy Kilowatt or solar is the biggest rip off in the US.  This can get political quickly so we must stop here or we’ll get this topic locked.
 
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Posted by rrebell on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 7:31 AM

You think power is high in California, I remember moving here from Maryland and noticed an instant drop in price, but that was 30 years ago. On another subject, the stob effect you get may be do to the feedback line to the power pole not being connected properly, had that problem on the old place.

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