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Trimming Peco Turnouts
Posted by fsts2k on Sunday, January 15, 2017 6:04 PM

Hello All,

in the process of laying out my track and since I am doing my first HO layout I am running into a few questions. in my yard I am finding the turnouts are overlapping, can I trim the pieces off that are circled red? Have slow motion switch machines that will be mounted under the 3/4 inch plywood. Thank you

Kevin

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:34 PM

Hi Kevin:

Yes, you can trim those pieces off. They are there to allow you to mount a model switch stand.

Dave

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Posted by peahrens on Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:47 PM

Kevin, you may also find a need or desire to adjust the length of turnouts as they are combined.  With my Walthers-Shinohara code 83 it was possible (and easy) to shorten the length of the incoming (a little) and outgoing (diverging) tracks somewhat to either compact the turnouts combo and/or help to attain the downstream desired track spacing.

On the W-S turnouts, it was ok to remove ties and rail as long as it did not get too close to the throwbar area or getting to the areas where the rail jumpers are underneath (and quite visible).  This was very helpful with some of my arrangements.  Not sure how the Pecos are constructed and where those boundaries would be but such modifications can really help where the simple connection of stock turnouts is not optimal for the situation.

Paul

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, January 16, 2017 5:02 AM

Yep, as Dave and Paul said, no problem.  

I have also trimmed the ends of ties where the turnouts are close together.

Rich

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, January 16, 2017 5:30 AM

Just for my own edification, I'm assuming that the turnouts shown are Code 83. Correct? None of my Peco Code 100 turnouts have the extended switch stand ties, and the Code 100 point rails are curved.

Thanks

Dave

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, January 16, 2017 5:41 AM

hon30critter

Just for my own edification, I'm assuming that the turnouts shown are Code 83. Correct? None of my Peco Code 100 turnouts have the extended switch stand ties, and the Code 100 point rails are curved.

Thanks

Dave

 

Those are likely Peco Code 83 turnouts - - - they look just like mine.

Rich

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Posted by fsts2k on Monday, January 16, 2017 12:22 PM

Thanks all!

Yes, PECO code 83 turnouts. I didn't quite understand trimming the incoming and outgoing tracks to make them fit closer, assume that means trimming the rail?

 

Also, when attaching flex track (PECO Code 83) do you typically trim the off the ties under the joiner? Right now I have slipped the rail joiner on the rail and it is above ties. It looks fine but I would think that would raise the rail a slight bit and wonder if that will impact operation. 

 

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Posted by fsts2k on Monday, January 16, 2017 12:54 PM

Found this, helpful:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmE0EiWPQHk

 

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Posted by peahrens on Monday, January 16, 2017 6:17 PM

fsts2k
Also, when attaching flex track (PECO Code 83) do you typically trim the off the ties under the joiner? Right now I have slipped the rail joiner on the rail and it is above ties. It looks fine but I would think that would raise the rail a slight bit and wonder if that will impact operation.

I used Atlas code 83 flextrack and W-S turnouts but the approach for the joiners, it the ties are in the way of the joiners, should be similar.  My approach is one I've copied from others here.

I cut the flex and turnout ties off (but save them) enough to allow the rail joiners to be installed with the rails at correct height.  My track was over cork roadbed if that matters.  When the flex and turnouts were installed and secured (as needed) I then reinstalled the appropriate ties. I sliced the rail holder "bumps" off the ties to be inserted so they would slide into place beneath the rails, and put a bit of caulk (my track securing choice) on the bottom of the ties so they would stay in place.    

Paul

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, January 16, 2017 7:18 PM

fsts2k
Yes, PECO code 83 turnouts. I didn't quite understand trimming the incoming and outgoing tracks to make them fit closer, assume that means trimming the rail?  I ran into the same problem designing a layout with SCARM.  My solution was to add some track get separation.  I am using ground throws though.

Also, when attaching flex track (PECO Code 83) do you typically trim the off the ties under the joiner? Right now I have slipped the rail joiner on the rail and it is above ties. It looks fine but I would think that would raise the rail a slight bit and wonder if that will impact operation. Kevin

Trimming the ends of the turn out will make the turnout more compact, but it won't help your problem.  I ran into the same problem designing the layout with SCARM.  My solution was to add some track to get more side by side separation of the tracks.  I am using ground throws though.

It would be ideal to furrow out the tie material where the joiner connects, so it fits without jacking up the rail, but I don't find it easy.  The tie material is harder than a sharp exacto blade.  My hand is not harder than a railroad tie so I just cut the ties off, use a burr in a dremel to cut away the material where the joiner fits and the slip them under the rails and let the ballast glue hold them there.

Henry

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Posted by fsts2k on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:48 AM

Thank you, I am going to be doing the same thing. Got the cork roadbed laid down yesterday for the yard, will start putting down track this week. 

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