NSWGR AD60 #6029 returns to steam.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5LoBazNb2sI
A few months later.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L_3VhrpacO8
Andre
Very enjoyable viewing, Andre. Thanks for sharing.
Here's another Garratt, from Airfix if I recall correctly. I built this unpowered but moveable locomotive for a nearby hobbyshop, and lettered it, as requested, for a very popular local line. The number used is next in succession for the road's two ex-NYC Hudsons.
Wayne
I came across 6029 working alone (without diesel assistance) for a recent Father's Day special from Canberra to Bungendore and return. It is fun to watch, and for our last shot we were standing on an old wooden bridge which shook with an exhaust blast as it passed underneath.
OF course there is an HO model...
http://eurekamodels.com.au/garratt.html
The good news is that the prices are in Australian Dollars with a current exchange rate of 0.70, which drops the basic model below $600.00
Now that really is on topic...
M636C
Wayne, that Garratt kit was by "Kitmaster" in 1/76 scale.
Andre:
Thanks for sharing those wonderful videos!
Dave
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
Just beautiful and a sweet sounding whistle to boot!!
Thx Andre.
Now, that is cool! Thanks for posting the videos.
Chuck - Modeling in HO scale and anything narrow gauge
Software Tools Wayne, that Garratt kit was by "Kitmaster" in 1/76 scale.
Great video's! Are we allowed to watch them more than once?
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Wow! The videos are a treat. I've liked Garratts for a long time, but never got "into" them. What marvelous beasts.
It's pretty obvious they never were in North America. But they seem to have been EVERYWHERE else. A person could wonder why.
One reason could be that the US had a very vigorous and successful locomotive building establishment. And I'm pretty sure the Garratt would be built under license. And said establishment would not be enthusiastic for paying licensing fees. And obviously did not have to, to be successful. Because they WERE. Without paying license fees for the Garratt.
The well-known disadvantage of the Garratt was that it was a tank engine. And so its tractive effort would decrease over running time. Now, it's not at all hard to predict the decrease. Operators all over the world could handle it; so could operators here. BUT. Tank engines in mainline service were quite unusual here. And tank engines in mainline service elsewhere were much more common. So it wouldn't surprise me if the US folks just didn't feel like the Garratt could be "a part of their world".
If it had been operated here, it looks like it could have been a sweet little logging articulated, nice and low and flexible (this one even appears to be a 2-6-2+2-6-2. How appropriate):
Should something like the above ever be done in HO standard gage, my logging railroad just might import one, what with being exceptionally flush with capital.
Once the "locals" (Americans and Canadians) learned how to operate a mainline tank engine, I think the Garratt would have stood a good chance on the "real" railroads. BUT. I am not convince that it could scale up to match our big articulateds. And it would really have to. There's no reason for using an articulated (Garratt or otherwise) when a standard engine will do the job. Articulateds are more complicated than standards are--not cost effective. The biggest Garratt had the same TE as a USRA heavy 2-8-2. Which do YOU think was cheaper to operate? Articulateds have to do MORE than standards. Which means, in the US, the Garratt would have to get much bigger. No, MUCH bigger. Could it?
That said, they're beautiful locos! And I am serious about purchasing a model for logging operations. Say, if Bachmann did one.
Ed
I believe that ALCO had a license for Garratt production in North America but major railroads lacked the loading gauge requirements that made them attractive elsewhere in the world and went with shorter Mallets and Simple-articulateds.
NorthWest I believe that ALCO had a license for Garratt production in North America but major railroads lacked the loading gauge requirements that made them attractive elsewhere in the world and went with shorter Mallets and Simple-articulateds.
Interesting.
I wonder what the license cost. And I wonder what fees they would have had to pay the licensee if they had actually built one.
Too bad they didn't--there is a bit of disappointment in this house. At least, a demonstrator. I wonder what it would have looked like, if they had.
I saw, online, a nice little HO model that looked a lot like it was built on two Mantua/Tyco 0-6-0T drives. It wasn't, but it sure reminded me of them. The Tyco drivers are a bit too big to be a logger (51" vs. 44"), but gets a person thinkin'...
Here's a pretty good little Garrett logger:
I think the drivers are too big, but it's far better than the one I (didn't) make.
NorthWestI believe that ALCO had a license for Garratt production in North America but major railroads lacked the loading gauge requirements that made them attractive elsewhere in the world and went with shorter Mallets and Simple-articulateds.
"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."
Who here doesn't have a mind that wanders to a KK-56 (If D&RGW wanted a bigger engine post K-28)
LensCapOn Who here doesn't have a mind that wanders to a KK-56 (If D&RGW wanted a bigger engine post K-28)
You make it WAY too easy:
7j43k LensCapOn Who here doesn't have a mind that wanders to a KK-56 (If D&RGW wanted a bigger engine post K-28) You make it WAY too easy: Ed
Yep.... Dick Truesdale (owner of Westside Models) had a great imagination and sense of fun...
Love the videos
Guy
see stuff at: the Willoughby Line Site
I found what appears to be a littermate of the Garratt I posted earlier. This one REALLY looks like a logger. It's narrow gage, which won't work for my ritzy standard gage system; but, WOW......
It's even link and pin!
Here's a link for lots more on this two foot South African railroad:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/59139-south-african-two-foot-gauge-railways/
I especially like the shot of a South African version of a Pennsy long distance tender.
JaBearVery interesting, I would have thought that US loading gauge was generous enough to allow a creditable Garratt, but further to Eds analysis I see that a possible explanation was that the American Rail Companies did not regard the Garratts coal and water capacities sufficient for their requirements.
One of the reasons that various railroads purchased Garratts was that they are shorter in height than an equivilent Mallet. US railroads did not have that problem and could purchase Mallets which are shorter in overall length (allowing more train to fit in a siding).Weight advantages to the Garratt were also not a concern in the US.
I think that the fuel and water problems could have been solved by simply adding a tender to one side (provided that oil is the fuel). While this makes it harder to run in one direction that isn't as much of a concern on US railroads as it is elsewhere.
Garrats also have the varying adhesion problem of other tank engines.
Finally, it should be noted that the Garratts were primarily used in British colonies. While B-P had the patents anyone could order one from them, but in colonies the British government could press railroads to use British suppliers.
7j43k I found what appears to be a littermate of the Garratt I posted earlier. This one REALLY looks like a logger. It's narrow gage, which won't work for my ritzy standard gage system; but, WOW...... It's even link and pin! Ed
Anyone try blending one of those onto a Maine 2 Footer layout? (Or is this another D&RGW KK-52?)
doctorwayne Very enjoyable viewing, Andre. Thanks for sharing. Here's another Garratt, from Airfix if I recall correctly. I built this unpowered but moveable locomotive for a nearby hobbyshop, and lettered it, as requested, for a very popular local line. The number used is next in succession for the road's two ex-NYC Hudsons. Wayne
The Airfix kits were of Garratt class built for the LMS. Hatton's of Liverpool commissioned Heljan to build a working model. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mYlM-9j1AQI
For Maine 2' etc applications, the very first Garratt loco, "K1", that ran in Tasmania would be ideal.....
... it is now running in Wales.
Software Tools For Maine 2' etc applications, the very first Garratt loco, "K1", that ran in Tasmania would be ideal..... ... it is now running in Wales.
It's so CUTE! Sqeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
OK Now how do I get my manhood back?
NorthWest ......but in colonies the British government could press railroads to use British suppliers.
LensCapOn 7j43k I found what appears to be a littermate of the Garratt I posted earlier. This one REALLY looks like a logger. It's narrow gage, which won't work for my ritzy standard gage system; but, WOW...... It's even link and pin! Ed Anyone try blending one of those onto a Maine 2 Footer layout? (Or is this another D&RGW KK-52?)
job done
regards John
John Busby Thats easy you just use the Tasmainian 2' 0-4-0 + 0-4-0
Thats easy you just use the Tasmainian 2' 0-4-0 + 0-4-0
If it's gonna be a Maine two footer, It's gotta be an 0-4-4 + 4-4-0.