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Z scale as ride on model train on HO scale layout?

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Z scale as ride on model train on HO scale layout?
Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:38 AM
Could someone do the math and tell me what scale a Z scale train would be on a HO layout? I'm thinking of putting a backyard rr on my layout. Thank you.
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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 6:53 AM
In Z scale, 1.385 mm = 1 foot, so if I’ve done my sums right, a Z scale F7 would be, near enough, 2 ¾” long, ¾” high and just over ½” wide.
The 6.5 mm track gauge is about 22 HO scale inches.
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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:22 AM

 Yeah, just a bit too big. Works for O scale though.

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Posted by Catt on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:30 AM

The Micro Trains GP35 measures out to roughly 21 HO feet long.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:47 AM

Regardless, peope do it. There is a guy who has a module here in northern Virginia who has a mini oval on his HO corner module with a train ride on it.  It looks cool enough and I haven't seen anyone criticize him for it not being exactly to a correct scale park ride, which can be sizable in some cases.  There are some sizable park or minature train rides in England for example.

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Posted by cacole on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:05 AM

I haven't seen it available anywhere in the U.S. yet, but there's a new scale in Japan, T, that is about half Z.

 

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Posted by Steven Otte on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:05 AM

It's a little too big for HO scale, but it works for O scale. Ray and Renee Grosser did it on their O scale Nostalgia Trip layout. See the photo on page 50 of Great Model Railroads 2012.

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Posted by G Paine on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:26 AM

Catt
The Micro Trains GP35 measures out to roughly 21 HO feet long.

Using a small locomotive like an 0-4-0, 0-6-0, or a 70 Tonner would make it look more like a backyard layout, although still a bit large.

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Posted by Bob Schuknecht on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:21 PM

Could be passable as an amusement park railroad.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:33 PM

Bob Schuknecht

Could be passable as an amusement park railroad.

For sure.

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:00 PM
Steven, that is what gave me the idea.
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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:02 PM
So, its too big to be ride On, but too small to be ride in.
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:54 PM

Actually, Z scale equipment in HO would approximate the Christmas ride-on train I encountered on one of my infrequent mall visits several years ago.  Carbodies were about 30 inches wide, step over the side seating (one person per seat) and about six seats per car.

A train of similar scale was running in Austin when I lived there many moons ago.  IIRC It was an outdoor operation in a city park.  The train spent its nights in a long closed shed.

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:58 PM
When I get a chance I'll post a pic of my Z scale BN GP38 next to my HO scale RS1 for you.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:06 PM

Santa Fe all the way!
So, its too big to be ride On, but too small to be ride in.

Have a look here....

http://www.rhdr.org.uk/

.....it may give you inspiration.Smile

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:20 PM

 Another one I saw was Z scale on a G scale layout - I think that works out close to G scale in G scale.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:45 PM

Minature Railway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ridable_miniature_railways

I have visited several miniture railways ownd by individuals.  There are many more who own equipment usually 1 local and a few cars which they haul to/from and operate at meets.

Some locations in the west:

http://www.svlsrm.org/

http://www.therailroadpark.com/

http://www.adobemtndesertrrpark.com/

http://www.trainmountain.org/

http://www.southernoregonlivesteamers.com/

 

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Posted by G Paine on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:20 PM

Someone above mentioned that Z scale track is 22" gauge in HO. Somewhere in Maryland or Virginia when I lived there 30+ years ago, there was a train ride in a park that ran on 18' gauge track, so Z would very well fit into an amusment park ride.

Of course a number of real trains in Maine ran on 24" gauge track for more than 50 years hauling passengers, freight and mail, just like the big guys. Some are restored and are running these days as museum trains.

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:06 AM
Thanks Burlington Northern, I'd love to see that. Wow JaBear an DSchmitt, nice links! I'm thinking a small steamer would probably work, I'd need to scratch build the cars though.
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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:54 PM

As mentioned here are reference pictures for you Santa Fe, I can also provide measurements for you. the Locos pictured are Atlas and American Z line, AZL units are friendlier to DCC if that's something you're considering.

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, May 16, 2015 7:55 PM

You guys sure have led a sheltered life!

 

Here's T gage:

 

http://www.tgauge.com/

 

and

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_gauge

 

Track gage in HO is 10".  Perhaps it's TOO small???

My favorite "amusement park" railroad is Redwood Valley Railway.  It's 15" gage and is great fun.  And the locos are real beauties!

 

 

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Saturday, May 16, 2015 10:19 PM
I live under a rock though.... :)

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Posted by the old train man on Sunday, May 17, 2015 10:47 PM

So thats why you dont have a layout?

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Monday, May 18, 2015 1:13 AM
Yep.

I suppose I should change my signature.

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Posted by BruceSLCC on Monday, November 7, 2016 9:04 AM

Santa Fe all the way!
Could someone do the math and tell me what scale a Z scale train would be on a HO layout? I'm thinking of putting a backyard rr on my layout. Thank you.   

 

It may be a bit big for back yard, but the San Francisco Zoo currently has a ride on train that is one foot 10 inches.  The equipment came from the 1904 Worlds Fair. 

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