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"Scaling" the price of a model of our house. We're getting ripped off.

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Posted by andrechapelon on Friday, March 26, 2010 8:37 PM

Yeah, but he hardly gets to see this either..

That's what happens when you build on landfill. We were living in Santa Clara at the time and suffered no damage whatsoever. Not even anything flying off the shelf. We had a few hours without power. That's all.

BTW, how far are you from the New Madrid fault? Sooner or later that one will let go again.

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Posted by markpierce on Friday, March 26, 2010 8:45 PM

Mike, you need to subtract the value of the land from the prototype.  I'd bet the majority of the value of the home is the land, not the improvements.  As for the model, you need to add the cost of labor and extras like glue, paint, and amortization of tools too.

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Posted by rrebell on Friday, March 26, 2010 8:45 PM

I guess you are far enough from Chicago when the big one hits there, you do know that when the fault rips there (it is overdue) it will make the San Francisco 1906 quake look like a little shake! The earth has so many faults and usually if you have smaller quakes you avoid the big one. The Loma quake caused me a little inconvenience and the picture of the structure you showed was bad construction on top of bad land (used to be a dump in the bay).

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Posted by Driline on Friday, March 26, 2010 9:52 PM

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PS - the pool boy position has been filled (by me, see us poor people wash our own cars and clean our own pools and cut our own grass).  

 

Sheldon....cool looking house. We have quite a few of those in Davenport in the McClellan Heights area. (Named after Major General George McClellan of the Union Army 1861).  He organized the famous Army of the Potomac.

As pool boy I get to play with your trains....right?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:33 AM

 You guys don´t know how lucky you are!

Real estate prices in our neck of the woods are double, triple and quadruple of what you have stated in your posts. Sheldon´s house ( a dream place!)  would go for $ 3 - 4m in Hamburg and even the $ 550k Mark mentioned appear to be a bargain. Unless you are in the unpopular and unpopulated east of Germany, close to the Polish border, living in your own house remains a dream for most people.

If Germany had the  density of population of the US, we would be having "only " 11,4 million people living here, instead of the 81,8 million we have.If you had ours, the US would be populated by 2.2 billion people - where would your real estate prices be then?

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Posted by markpierce on Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:22 AM

Got deserts (or even semi-arid regions) in Germany?  Mischief  I don't think so.

U.S. deserts are larger than Germany.  Cowboy  Populations in deserts are spare for good reason.  Land prices in deserts (except where is a gold mine or similar anomaly) are very low.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:43 AM

 Mark,

 isn´t it nice, what you can do with some innocent little figures? You know the bloke, who´s feet are stuck in a campfire, putting a bag of ice on his head, claiming to feel well in average?

Btw, we have some semi-arid areas with little vegetation, but of course not to the extent you guys over the Big Pond have it. These are more local patches, sometimes used for Army training

 

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:36 AM

markpierce

Got desserts (or even semi-arid regions) in Germany?  Mischief  I don't think so.

U.S. deserts are larger than Germany.  Cowboy  Populations in deserts are spare for good reason.  Land prices in deserts (except where is a gold mine or similar anomaly) are very low.

 

Mark

 

Of course when you bring in roads. water, sewer, electricity, telephone, cable, etc. so you can build a house, the price goes up quite a bit. Big Smile

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Posted by ruderunner on Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:50 AM

I agree that figuring the cubic foot isn't a valid comparison.  Perhaps better would be square foot of all the surfaces like interior and exterior walls, floor roof etc.  One could calculate the cubic footage of each and every component but...

Land values and location?  Hmm interesting, I suppose one could calculate how much the benchwork and scenery cost and see how that compares to land values.  As for location yes it definitly is a factor in pricing so: how much extra would you pay for land located along the main line in an area with a nice steady climate year round, no rain, no snow always sunny with grass, shrubs and trees that never need trimming? 

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Posted by Driline on Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:21 AM

Sir Madog
If Germany had the  density of population of the US, we would be having "only " 11,4 million people living here, instead of the 81,8 million we have.If you had ours, the US would be populated by 2.2 billion people - where would your real estate prices be then?

 

I am also German. Our family emigrated from the Alsace-Lorraine area. Perhaps if Germany annexed that area  again we would have more room and people could afford housing? After all we won that piece of land in 1871. Then those darn Frenchmen had to take it away in 1919 Disapprove

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:28 AM

Driline

Sir Madog
If Germany had the  density of population of the US, we would be having "only " 11,4 million people living here, instead of the 81,8 million we have.If you had ours, the US would be populated by 2.2 billion people - where would your real estate prices be then?

 

I am also German. Our family emigrated from the Alsace-Lorraine area. Perhaps if Germany annexed that area  again we would have more room and people could afford housing? After all we won that piece of land in 1871. Then those darn Frenchmen had to take it away in 1919 Disapprove

I would not go down that road or we will start discussing WW2 and you know what can of worms that would open up, we don't want to get locked!  But what can you say as I have spent many an hour discussing the civil war here in the US.
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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:28 AM

Driline

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PS - the pool boy position has been filled (by me, see us poor people wash our own cars and clean our own pools and cut our own grass).  

 

Sheldon....cool looking house. We have quite a few of those in Davenport in the McClellan Heights area. (Named after Major General George McClellan of the Union Army 1861).  He organized the famous Army of the Potomac.

As pool boy I get to play with your trains....right?

Thank you for the compliment. We live in the Village of Forest Hill, once a stop on the Ma & Pa. In fact the tracks went right behind our house and we know that materials to build the house came to town on the railroad.

We bought the house 15 years ago and began a complete restoration and rehabilitation which took about 3 years. I did much of the work myself.

How are your gardening and painting skills? The pool boy position includes a number of such jobs but does have good fringe benifits including layout room access and an extensive workshop.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:46 PM

But if you scale it by the cost itself, we're saving tons of money!

550,000/87=6,321.84

So if you buy a model house for say, $25, you're paying 1/253 of what you should be paying!

Another example. A $2M locomotive should cost us $22,988.51!

So if you do it that way, we're paying tiny fractions of what we should be!

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Posted by markpierce on Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:35 PM

Sir Madog

 Mark,

 isn´t it nice, what you can do with some innocent little figures?

Das macht nicht.

Aaahh, Germany, where the trains are often convenient and the conductors speak English.

 

 

 

How I "picture" Germany:

 

 

A country full of villages. 

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Posted by Driline on Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:49 PM

rrebell
I would not go down that road or we will start discussing WW2 and you know what can of worms that would open up, we don't want to get locked!

 

1919 is WW1 not WW2. Just so we're clear here Smile

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, March 27, 2010 6:25 PM

Driline

rrebell
I would not go down that road or we will start discussing WW2 and you know what can of worms that would open up, we don't want to get locked!

 

1919 is WW1 not WW2. Just so we're clear here Smile

Yes but WW2 is a direct result of WW1 just like the war of 1812 is a direct result of the revolutionary war!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:25 PM

markpierce

 How I "picture" Germany:

 

  

A country full of villages. 

Mark

 

... and this is "my" Germany:

 

 

 

 

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Posted by markpierce on Sunday, March 28, 2010 2:01 AM

Ulrich, it looks like Hamburg to me.  I ate a Hess hamburger opposite the Rathaus pictured, took a similar boat ride there, and ate curry-flavored french fries along the wharf.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:16 AM

We have some friends who own a 250 acre piece of land with a creek running through it. Nice century old brick 2 1/2 storey home and two outbuildings on it. About 10 years ago they had a real estate appraisal done which showed the value assesssed at $400,000. Because the city boundary has crept ever closer to their end that value has shot up to over $1.25 million. Why?

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Posted by Scarpia on Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:41 AM

 Huh. Guess no one plays with trains any more.

I'm trying to model 1956, not live in it.

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