A follow up on "Hybrid Steam Engines"

[Anonymous]

Fergie had an excellent suggestion in his topic, make an old 4-8-8-4 into a 4-8-6. So I was thinking, why don't we all post our ideas for some "kitbashed" engines? This could be a lot of fun.
For me, I'd like to make a 4-8-8-6. Combining the huge fire box of the Allegheny with the eight coupled "super drive" of the Big Boy. Either that or a 4-10-4. A Texas with a longer wheel base, basically.


What are your ideas, guess? (these can be diesels or electrics, too)[:D]

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Either that or a 4-10-4.

I thought up a 4-10-4 in HO once. It was going to be an extended crappy Bachmann ATSF 2-10-4 with the boiler devided and shifted forward with styrene fillers. I would then ba***he [censored] out of the mechanism and add a NWSL gear box and can motor. Add new pony truck. Then tender would be made by splicing 2 MDC Santa Fe tenders and adding new 3 axle trucks.

That idea that was quickly exstinguished when I acknowledged the major holes in this plan.

[Anonymous]

It must be 5-10 years ago that MR had some neat kitbashes where someone had combined a steamer with a diesel and called it a "steasel" There where more than just the one model and I thought it was a fun idea and the models were very well done.

[Anonymous]

How about a 4-12-12-4!?

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That'd be SO big it'd be ridiculous!

[Fergmiester]

No it would bring a new meaning to the term "China Syndrome".

I don't think there is a track in this world that could support that mass.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Fergmiester

No it would bring a new meaning to the term "China Syndrome".

I don't think there is a track in this world that could support that mass.

You're probably right, Fergie.

[Anonymous]

How about a 4-8-6?
or maybe a4-8-8-6 tank engine, now thats hybrid!
a 6-14-14-8! that couldn't fit!
a2-2-2
how about an 2-0-2!
just some hysterical thoughts

-y put y,s in the carolinas, use z's and tankers!,for i have seen the top of the mountain and it is good********************************!$^%$%$$&$##&5

[soapbox][soapbox]

[Anonymous]

oh ,by du way, where can you find that crappy 2-10-4! I need some thing to tinker with

[Anonymous]

Bachmann makes a 2-10-4.

[Anonymous]

Interesting idea. I've seen a few unusual wheel arrangements in European locos - try 0-10-0 tank locos (at least one was built in the UK, as well as a few for narrow gauge systems in mainland Europe). There are surviving 2-8-0 tank locos built by the GWR for heavy coal traffic in South Wales (I just wish someone would make these rtr, as they'd be truly awesome - have seen one "In the metal" on a preserved line). This is before you consider the experimental high-pressure steam locos that were briefly tried over here - they had fairly conventional wheel arrangements but looked very odd.

[Supermicha]

I thought about a kitbash with a F7 shell and a GE Dash-7 Round Cab. Something like NJT´s GP40FH-2, just with older parts... I think it could look very nice...

[Anonymous]

they perfect deisel would be to combine the best things about EMD and GE and make one super loco

[nfmisso]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Bachmann makes a 2-10-4.

MADE and has not for many years, the tooling was destroyed in an accident.

[nfmisso]

Many years ago in MR, in the Photo Section, there was a photo of an HO scale model of a 4-12-12-6 model, of Union Pacific flavor, scratch built in Italy out of gold !! - not brass.

[M636C]

Guys,

It is very difficult to think of something more ridiculous than locomotives that have been built in real life. The Santa Fe 2-10-10-2s come to mind! During Soviet times, the Russians built a 4-14-4, and quite reasonable drawings are available for anybody who thinks their curves and turnouts could take something like this.

The ultimate was a unit known as "Little Stalin" after the Chairman of the period (for those not familiar, Josef Stalin was someone who made Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussien seem like friendly uncles).

It was a 2-10-2, built 1939, with both forward and back cabs, and a condensing tender (the tender had huge radiators to cool exhaust steam for re-use). It had two opposed piston cylinders on each side mounted in the centre above the wheels. These are like a Fairbanks Morse diesel, two pistons in each cylinder working cranks at each end, but on this loco they drove the wheels through very complex rods. Since there were four pistons on each side, they thought that after they started on steam, you could run two pistons each side as a diesel, blowing the fuel and air in under pressure, increasing the efficiency. To save money on oil, they put a crusher in the tender to convert coal into fine powder, which they could use as fuel in the diesel cylinders. With this and the condenser, there was more machinery in the tender than in the locomotive.

As a friend often has said to me, "what could possibly go wrong?" And it was named after the chairman!

But anyone who fancies himself as a megalomaniac in the Stalin mould, it's just what you need!

Peter

[joseph2]

In World War 2 Switzerland there was a coal shortage.So the Swiss converted a 2-6-0 into a steam-electric.It had a pantograph on the cab roof and a electric heating element in the boiler.Strange but true. Joe G.

[AltonFan]

littlemon asks:

QUOTE: How about a 4-8-6?

IIRC, Lima prepared plans for such an engine, but those plans went unrealized when dieselization got going full-swing. And actually, on a lot of roads, mere 4-8-4s were often hevily restricted due to their size. A 4-8-6 would have been too big for a lot of lines.

nfmisso sez:

QUOTE: MADE and has not for many years, the tooling was destroyed in an accident.

I was wondering why this engine has never reappeared. A pity, too.

[TrainFreak409]

In a special issue of Trains & Travel, entitled "Steam Locomotives" from 1953, there were drawings of multiple locomotives that will definitely turn heads. Like Lima's plans for a 2-12-6 steamer from 1929, a shrouded 4-4-4, and their 4-8-6 Super Locomotive. It also has locomotives designed by George R. Henderson; the Quadruplex, a 2-8-8-8-8-2, with cab at the rear, and front, and accordian boiler. And a Quintuplex, a 2-10-10-10-10-10-2 (Yes, that's right, 5 sets of drivers!). That too, had two cabs, and an accordian boiler.
More interesting designs can be found in the June 1974 issue of Trains. There are drawings of locomotives that could have been, if steam wasn't scrapped. They all have duplex drivers, with opposed pistons, like Pennsy's Q-1. But, they have unusual wheel arrangments. These are 4-10-8, 4-8-8, and 4-8-6. I am really not sure how they would be classified. I will try to show the wheel arrangements. ( [P] means piston chamber )
4-10-8 o[P]o OOOOO o[P]o oo Duplex is split OOO OO
4-8-8 o[P]o OOOO o[P]o oo Duplex is split OO OO
4-8-6 o[P]o OOOO o[P]o o Duplex is split OO OO
These locomotives were supposed to be perfectly balanced with special rods between the seperate powered sets.

I think it would be really impressive to see something like this on a layout. Or a 6-8-8-6, a hybrid S1/Big Boy (articulated of course). And thanks to the possibilities of model railroading, it some day may happen

[Anonymous]

what about a 2-12-12-12-2 it really exists that its so long its ridiculous

[TrainFreak409]

Any idea where I might be able to find Fergie's original post, for some reason the search function won't work right now.

[TrainFreak409]

Okay, never mind, I found it. Interesting stuff in the original thread.

[TrainFreak409]

Here is what could be one of the strangest locomotives that ever ran the rails.
A Franco-Crosti 6-2+2-4-2-4-2+2-6! A REAL QUADRAPLEX!



You can see more pictures of this at http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/francocrosti/francocrosti.htm