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lvanhen wrote: DarkTalon wrote: Interesting you'd bring that up..for a looong while I've wanted to model the Civil War era Western & Atlantic Railroad through Chattanooga and this general area of Tennessee and Georgia..but always been very afraid that at least one plantation would be in order to make it realistic..and while I could care less about political correctness..I do care about lawsuits or other general bad press...but that's a topic for another day, I just had to put this out there since you reminded me...hah.. Political correctness be ******, history is history!!! What are we supposed to do - re-write our history books? Slavery existed untill the end of the Civil War - actually, during the Roman Empire there were more white slaves than colored - or is saying colored politically incorrect?!! If you model a modern era city, are you going to model pristine streets and buildings with no evidence of crime? I personaly know two men who were fired for telling ethnic jokes - one Italian and one Polish - and they were not nasty jokes, they just included the "normal" slang for the two groups!! I used to work with a Jewish guy - I was the "Nazi" and he was what was common slang for Jewish people at the time - 1970's - and we were the very best of friends with our family's enjoying activities together away from work!!!I certainly wouldn't include a whipping post or really bad housing for the slaves, as that would be cruel, and not representative of all or even most plantations - of course there are probably completely opposite views to mine. It seems to be OK to joke about John McCains" age, but I don't recall hearing a single joke about Obama, is everyone afraid of law suits - or just being politacally correct - or is age OK to joke about but not ethnicity!! When I was in school - from 1947 to 1964 - we were taught how the "savage" "Indians" slaughtered, raped, and pillaged the white man and women in our school books, movies, comic books, and early TV. When AIM brought up Wounded Knee, our historians finally started to get it right, but when I was in the Army in 1964/5 I was shocked to see the animosity between white and Native Americans from Oklahoma and other areas with larger Native American populations!! I was even more shocked to hear some comments made by a company executive when taking a factory tour in Minnisota - in the 1990's!! I asked why there were no black or hispanic employees out of about 2000, the response was that there used to be before the "Indians" found they were just like venison!! Sometimes I'm very ashamed about "my people"!!!
DarkTalon wrote: Interesting you'd bring that up..for a looong while I've wanted to model the Civil War era Western & Atlantic Railroad through Chattanooga and this general area of Tennessee and Georgia..but always been very afraid that at least one plantation would be in order to make it realistic..and while I could care less about political correctness..I do care about lawsuits or other general bad press...but that's a topic for another day, I just had to put this out there since you reminded me...hah..
Interesting you'd bring that up..for a looong while I've wanted to model the Civil War era Western & Atlantic Railroad through Chattanooga and this general area of Tennessee and Georgia..but always been very afraid that at least one plantation would be in order to make it realistic..and while I could care less about political correctness..I do care about lawsuits or other general bad press...but that's a topic for another day, I just had to put this out there since you reminded me...hah..
Political correctness be ******, history is history!!! What are we supposed to do - re-write our history books? Slavery existed untill the end of the Civil War - actually, during the Roman Empire there were more white slaves than colored - or is saying colored politically incorrect?!! If you model a modern era city, are you going to model pristine streets and buildings with no evidence of crime? I personaly know two men who were fired for telling ethnic jokes - one Italian and one Polish - and they were not nasty jokes, they just included the "normal" slang for the two groups!! I used to work with a Jewish guy - I was the "Nazi" and he was what was common slang for Jewish people at the time - 1970's - and we were the very best of friends with our family's enjoying activities together away from work!!!
I certainly wouldn't include a whipping post or really bad housing for the slaves, as that would be cruel, and not representative of all or even most plantations - of course there are probably completely opposite views to mine. It seems to be OK to joke about John McCains" age, but I don't recall hearing a single joke about Obama, is everyone afraid of law suits - or just being politacally correct - or is age OK to joke about but not ethnicity!!
When I was in school - from 1947 to 1964 - we were taught how the "savage" "Indians" slaughtered, raped, and pillaged the white man and women in our school books, movies, comic books, and early TV. When AIM brought up Wounded Knee, our historians finally started to get it right, but when I was in the Army in 1964/5 I was shocked to see the animosity between white and Native Americans from Oklahoma and other areas with larger Native American populations!! I was even more shocked to hear some comments made by a company executive when taking a factory tour in Minnisota - in the 1990's!! I asked why there were no black or hispanic employees out of about 2000, the response was that there used to be before the "Indians" found they were just like venison!! Sometimes I'm very ashamed about "my people"!!!
Don't worry about the indian thing, most of us are not that sensitive over all this time and never be ashamed of your people because then you are forgetting the good things your people have done for the population as a whole.
I'm Native but I also must live in the modern day world where a slight incorrect use of a term is not a reason too mistrust or dislike someone, we all make mistakes when we are trying to live up to so much politically correctness that we even forget what we are supposed to call ourselves...LOL!
There are no politics in what we do here, it's a HOBBY,it's about fun, heck I even have a few plastic soldiers with tiny red plastic arrows sticking out of them, I don't put them on my layout but I do take them out of the cigar box they are in every once in a while too look at them, they make me chuckel, and then right back in the box they go.
Have a great week my friends, thats what I like about this Hobby, we may fight about a locomotives colors but we don't care about the colors of the people building the layouts.
I think the rest of the world could learn something from the people in this hobby and on this site.
I'm proud to be a member here.
Meanwhile the guy with the chem and physics degrees sits quietly by and giggles.
You can't be putting Lucy on your layout and then not show a picture of her on here! Real, cartoon or theoretical, the thread is about PEOPLE ON YOUR LAYOUT!
There aren't any on mine. They're all still in the box. I'll name them when the scenes need populating.
Phoebe Vet wrote:People are trying to outlaw irrational hate by outlawing the words used to express the hate.That's why you hear childish phrases in the news like "The N word". It's like going back to elementary school.I hope that someday we will all come to realize that the reason some people have dark skin is because their ancestors lived for hundreds of generations near the equator.It is a protection from the sun, and is not a genetic difference.[Statement removed, as well as subsequent responses posted by others]Unless you actually believe that those slaves deserved their fate, then I see nothing offensive in modeling their position in the society of that era. It can even be a conversation starter about the disgraceful way they were treated by earlier segments of our society.Sometimes the bans are not because people of color are offended by the past; so much as people of European ancestry are embarrassed by the actions of their predecessors.
People are trying to outlaw irrational hate by outlawing the words used to express the hate.
That's why you hear childish phrases in the news like "The N word". It's like going back to elementary school.
I hope that someday we will all come to realize that the reason some people have dark skin is because their ancestors lived for hundreds of generations near the equator.
It is a protection from the sun, and is not a genetic difference.
[Statement removed, as well as subsequent responses posted by others]
Unless you actually believe that those slaves deserved their fate, then I see nothing offensive in modeling their position in the society of that era. It can even be a conversation starter about the disgraceful way they were treated by earlier segments of our society.
Sometimes the bans are not because people of color are offended by the past; so much as people of European ancestry are embarrassed by the actions of their predecessors.
Very well said.
I was told by the late Steve Warrington of a club in New Orleans. IIRC a member had to be in posession of 1 brass locomotive. Anyways, the club included an African American hung from a tree surrounded by the Ku Klux Klan. I really can't understand why someone would actually include that on a layout. Its in history, but IMHO is not at all ethnicly correct. A plantation is fine IMHO, but a form of ethnically generated punishments or attacks is certainly not. The club was flooded during Katrina, and I hope that the scene is not replicated on the new layout.
Alex
Noooooooo what it needs is a couple of guys running with their fingers in their ears.
That is a bomb, isn't it?
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
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Anyways, the club included an African American hung from a tree surrounded by the Ku Klux Klan.
Anyone want to email me a pic of this scene?
WOW was this club layout opened to the public?, I'm guessing it was not otherwise the building would be surrounded by people protesting.
I guess even some folks in this hobby can go too far, I would not want to walk into a place I was invited into and have too look at the mass hangings of native americans from the old days when the price on our heads were enough to purchse a shot of whiskey...Wow!
I didn't think it possible for the title of this thread to cause any problems but I guess I'm wrong again.
I get the funny feeling that this thread will get locked down in the very near future, hope I'm wrong again.
I really would like the person who thought it nessassary to depict such a scene to PM me and help me too understand WHY such a scene needed to be placed on a club layout.
Now I'm just guessing that the scenes that go into a club layout do not have too be voted on?
I'm not attacking anyone here but I can not stand by and pretend that such a thing doesn't disturb me on a very deep and humane level.
Also I wouldn't and couldn't belong too any club that would have allowed such a heartless rendition of such hatered, I can't think of any reason this scene would be placed on a club layout, if a person wants too depict the killing of the Pope on their personal layout that is their business, but on a club layout?
I don't think such a scene as a hanging of anyone has a proper place on a club layout, at the least it is a sick commentary on our caliouseness towards violance and crime against our fellow human beings.
There, my honest opinion here should be just enough too get me band from this site, shame on anyone who would condone such an act.
And just when I thought I've heard it all!
Band? Or banned? Club layouts really shoud stay away from the darker side of the human existance. Oops, don't take that wrong or I'll be banned! No lynchings, red light districts or public schools should be modeled on layouts that are routinely having open houses. I think a lynching displayed on a white man's layout might be misconstrued as condoning such a crime while on a black man's layout it might suggest an obsessive attachment to the past. So lets leave stuff like that in the history books and keep our railroads on happier subjects, like stalled school busses on grade crossings!(just kidding geez!)
HEdward wrote: No lynchings, red light ditrricts or public schools should be modeled on layouts that are routinely having open houses.
No lynchings, red light ditrricts or public schools should be modeled on layouts that are routinely having open houses.
Am I missing an attempt at humor here or what? Why would you lump "public schools" in with the lynchings & red light districts?
Funny that you mentioned red light districts... I have a model of the Faller "Night Club" (please don't ask me what the foreign name of it is...). It remains unbuilt and I bought it mail order so didn't see the "interesting" interior that it came with. But I'd like to use it someday on my layout... I've actually thought about putting it in a corner on the "other side of the tracks."
As to the original post, my layout will have some friends who will have businesses named after them. But the people themselves will be "John Q. Public" and "Joe Sixpack." I don't think I'm going to model anyone specifically.
dlm
HEdward wrote:Public schools! I went to a few. Private schools take up less space. Just thought I'd sneak something by. No censorship of your home layouts. Nude sunbathers can always get swimwear painted on. No comment on the school bus on the tracks?
I think that has to be on UP tracks