Mark said:Also, the less I have a "godlike" view of a layout as compared to a sense of being human within the scene, the more I like it.
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Ah yes yet another urban legion comes to light.
One of my past N Scale ISLs was at eye level while seated.
Again if one takes the time to sperate fact from fiction,urban legions and myths from the truth one would see N Scale whole different set of eyes.
That's why N Scale is the number 2 scale..
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
I am just the opposite..Since I will never have room for a HO layout-except a very small 1x6 foot ISL I realized I had 2 choices go with that tiny 1x6 HO ISL or build a small N Scale layout.For me that was a no brainer..N Scale won that round.Sure I still have both HO clubs and the N Scale club but,I wanted a home layout as well.Nothing like your own layout to build and operate as you please.
As far as N Scale locos as a rule they run as well as their HO counter parts.
I'm gona use ho if its still around.
And where would HO be going to?
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."-Albert Einstein
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Geared Steam wrote: I'm gona use ho if its still around. And where would HO be going to?
Maybe replace with 3/16ths?
BRAKIE wrote: Geared Steam wrote: I'm gona use ho if its still around. And where would HO be going to? Maybe replace with 3/16ths?
Absolutely. S is everything you want HO to be!!!!
Enjoy
Paul
bellzbello wrote:I don't get it...
Are you starting to "get it" yet?
Cool! Then I can buy my HO stuff at bargain prices
For me, it's a matter of what's available out there for the railroad that I prefer to model, which is Rio Grande and Southern Pacific big steam in the 'forties. In HO there are a number of brass Rio Grande models, but in N there is nothing I've seen that I could even 'kit-bash' into a representative model of a Rio Grande steamer (and I'm not talking about the UP-clone Challenger from Horizon, Rio Grande didn't like them and got rid of them as fast as they could). Ergo I'm in HO.
With that said, I remember when my dad retired and decided to go into model railroading. He chose N scale. And I was absolutely AMAZED at the amount of running space he was able to fit into two walls of his shop building. Being the dutiful son, I helped him plan the layout and I remember how much fun we both had with that scale, and how amazed I was that even with my big, long pianist's fingers, how easy it was to work in it. And of course, dad always grinned and said, "In HO you can model about two miles of the Sierra, in N you can model the whole darned mountain range." He wasn't far from the truth, either. So for me, there's no 'versus', really. Except for the fact that if I were modeling Rio Grande in N scale, I'd have to go into the diesel era. Which for me is not an option.
As for 'selection'--I was at my LHS the other day, staring longingly at the new Kato N-scale "Morning Daylight" and wondering, "When in heck is this ever coming out in HO?"
So from my point of view, at least, each scale has its advantages and drawbacks. But dad's still right--with 24x24' in HO, I have a comfortable layout. In N, I could have an EMPIRE!
But that's another story.
Tom
Tom View my layout photos! http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/TWhite-014/Rio%20Grande%20Yuba%20River%20Sub One can NEVER have too many Articulateds!
HO con: it upsets the N scale folks.
N scale con: it upsets the HO scale folks!
The reason that I took HO scale over N is because of the size of my hands and my failing eyesight, I could barely see the details on an N scale locomotive that I held for the first time and never mind having to work on one with these big paws of mine.
I like all scales of model trains so I'm going to say a lot of time it might be a space issue that brings some of us to enjoy N scale, if we have the luxurey of a lot of room than it is easier to go up in scale.
I give a thumbs up to both, beauty is in the eye of the engineer!!!
BRAKIE wrote: Mark said:Also, the less I have a "godlike" view of a layout as compared to a sense of being human within the scene, the more I like it.--------------------------------------Ah yes yet another urban legion comes to light.
What is your secret for defying natural law? When I look at an N-scale layout, assuming there is a three-dimensional view, I see four times the layout compared to HO scale. In two dimensions, I see twice as much in N as in HO. If my eyes are 1 foot away from a layout, I'm nearly a scale 170 feet from an N-scale model, while in HO I'm 87 feet away. That, my boy, is not an urban legend.
In a perfect world, we could all "model" in 1:1 scale. I have to settle for 1:87. Some people settle for even smaller. While the above paragraph is fact, this last sentence is opinion because some people perceive less as more.
Mark
loathar wrote: bellzbello wrote:I don't get it...Are you starting to "get it" yet?
I got it.
Mark,Ole buddy-I said One of my past N Scale ISLs was at eye level while seated-not standing.
Many layouts in HO and N are built to eye level instead of the normal "birds eye view" layouts.
I just know you understand eye level while seated.. You have a ground view and not the "bird's eye" view..
Hey, Brakie! Do you feel like me that some readers don't pay attention to what one is saying?
markpierce wrote:If you're undecided, dabble in different scales and decide from hands-on experience before making a "full body" plunge.
If you're undecided, dabble in different scales and decide from hands-on experience before making a "full body" plunge.
To me this is the best advice so far.
Red Horse wrote:HO con: it upsets the N scale folks.N scale con: it upsets the HO scale folks!
TT scale con: it upsets American model railroaders... Oh, and its is hard to get in this country.
BRAKIE wrote: dale8chevyss wrote:For me, HO is small enough. I look at N and don't believe myself or my viewers should have to have magnifying lenses to see the details. I just prefer HO over N and thats my opinion. What I find odd is I can work on N Scale better then I can HO since I have limited use of my right hand..And thank heavens I can still work on N Scale with my glasses off and I am 60!As far as magnifying lenses..Hey,HO guys been using 'em for years!!!
dale8chevyss wrote:For me, HO is small enough. I look at N and don't believe myself or my viewers should have to have magnifying lenses to see the details. I just prefer HO over N and thats my opinion.
What I find odd is I can work on N Scale better then I can HO since I have limited use of my right hand..And thank heavens I can still work on N Scale with my glasses off and I am 60!
As far as magnifying lenses..Hey,HO guys been using 'em for years!!!
I wear glasses to see what's in the distance. For close up work, I usually take them off. And I am going to turn 60 in early October.
I've been wearing glasses since the late 1950s. I never had to take them off to read or do closeup work until the mid 1980s.
Irv
Paul3 wrote: pcarrell,I thought I was keeping it friendly.
pcarrell,I thought I was keeping it friendly.
My bad.....sorry! Sometimes this electronic communication has it's shortcommings.
You make some excellent points.
Being tht I was in HO scale for about 15 years before I switched to N in the late 1980's I do understand a little of both sides of the fence (though, admittedly, it's been a while since I've ventured into the land of the giants (HO)).
Well I say pro,it is true that most HO layouts are not able to operate 100 car trains,our modular layout CAN.Check out this video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYnPU52rI this is not our longest train by a long shot! Back in the late 90's (before we started more video.) we ran a 104 car train with very long cars,train reached 75 feet long that didn't straighten out.Layout lenght was sixty feet long.
Ken
Ah heck, they are both fine. I went from HO to N due to room requirements, now I model in N but still like HO also, room enough for everybody.
As far as magnifying lenses and Opti-Visors are concerned, I make use of them when I work on O scale and sometimes even G scale.
I think you can have fun with either scale. Some day (don't you just love that concept!) I would love to have a garden scale layout because the opportunity for detailing is just incredible. My first layout (30 years ago) was a HO circle on a plywood sheet because HO was all I could find locally. Right now I have a tiny N scale but it is teaching me a great deal about economy of detail and the value of carefull planning. At this time, it is all I have room for.
HO is really the best blend of both size and detail and has the most to offer in terms of equipment and knowledge. It just takes more room to work with.
However, I know of no law that says you can not have both!
P.S. If anyone knows where to find or how to make an N scale American flag on a flagpole, please let me know. Thanks.