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Industry ideas for a specific scenario.
Posted by Texas Zepher on Monday, April 21, 2008 8:30 PM
The scenario is as follows.  In a mountain valley there is the junction of a standard gauge "through" railroad (transcontenental wanabe) and a narrow gauge serving the high country. The time period is 1890-1900, so there is no truck transportation.  Only rail, wagons, and mules.

Many companies moved to this prime location depending on the standard gauge for the receiving of products and the narrow gauge to ship products on up into the mining districts.  Likewise it is  a good place to process raw materials coming down the narrow gauge from the high country, before shipment to markets back east on the standard gauge. 

The industries I've thought of which are appropriate for such a town are: lumber mill, foundry, mining equipment supply, stock transfer, coal transfer, mining equipment supply, dry goods warehouse.

What are other industries that would be appropriate here?

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Posted by Packers#1 on Monday, April 21, 2008 8:40 PM
Maybe a company that takes logs from the narrow gauge and transfers them to the standard gauge. That's my best (and only) one, hope it helps.

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Posted by GMTRacing on Monday, April 21, 2008 9:46 PM
Not industries, but the other stores you'd need: Sheriff, newspaper, telegraph office, saloon, hotel (maybe several), stable/blacksmith, church, barber shop/dentist, doctor, stagecoach/wagon stop and of course the rail depot and station. J.R.
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Posted by Geared Steam on Monday, April 21, 2008 9:55 PM

1. Sawmill/lumber to supply supports and beams to the mine. If you have room have a logging train or railroad to bring logs to the sawmill/ sawmill cuts beams/ sends to mine.

2. A scale to weigh the ore cars from the mine.

 

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Posted by jrbernier on Monday, April 21, 2008 9:59 PM

Inbound:  Grocery Supply Company, Furniture, Kerosene & Lamp Oil

 

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Posted by lvanhen on Monday, April 21, 2008 10:23 PM
In such a town you'll need a few "professional ladies" and a suitable abode for them to conduct business!!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by joseph2 on Monday, April 21, 2008 10:42 PM
Cattle,maybe sheep.
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Posted by lvanhen on Monday, April 21, 2008 11:07 PM
No, just women!
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Monday, April 21, 2008 11:47 PM

 GMTRacing wrote:
Not industries, but the other stores you'd need: Sheriff, newspaper, telegraph office, saloon, hotel (maybe several), stable/blacksmith, church, barber shop/dentist, doctor, stagecoach/wagon stop and of course the rail depot and station. J.R.

You forgot the most important building in town - the one with the purple-painted door and the red porch light.

[For the historically challenged, Pam's Purple Door was one of the last such establishments closed when Deadwood, SD, decided to clean up the image it presented to flatlanders - er - summer tourists.]

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Posted by csmith9474 on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:37 AM
One thing that comes to mind (although the railroad was standard gauge), was the Colorado Midland bringing gold ore down from Victor/Cripple Creek to the processing plant in Colorado Springs.
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Posted by joseph2 on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:12 PM
Oops, I meant the narrow gauge would have a seasonal movement of livestock from fall to spring pastures. Livestock would be sent out on the standard gauge.  Joe
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Posted by Beach Bill on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:14 PM

How about a produce/grocery warehouse (all those processed victuals such as barrels of flour need to be shipped up the hill).

Maybe an ice house - Ice could be cut or harvested up in the high country and stored in the ice house near that main line for servicing the through refrigerator cars.  This provides an excuse to run all those nice colorful reefer cars on that standard gauge.

With all that mining equipment needing transfer, a small crane would be a good additon at the transfer point.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:04 PM
Duel gauge freight house for all those Sears & Roebuck mail orders which would include stoves, ice boxes,furniture etc.Inbound buggies,wheels,feed, seed,autos.

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Posted by Dallas Model Works on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:11 PM

 lvanhen wrote:
In such a town you'll need a few "professional ladies" and a suitable abode for them to conduct business!!Big Smile [:D]

I was going to mention Bar Mills' Wicked Wanda's but you beat me to it!

 

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:55 PM

 jrbernier wrote:
Inbound:  Grocery Supply Company, Furniture, Kerosene & Lamp Oil
Those are good ones.  Except maybe kerosene, isn't that a petrolium derivative. Or did they extract it from coal.  Lamp oil would have come from whales in this time period - correct?  It would have probably come in barrels in box cars rather than "tank" cars.

 joseph2 wrote:
Cattle, maybe sheep
Yep I knew what you ment.  It is a good one, that is what I meant by stock transfer.  I guess I should have said livestock transfer.

 csmith9474 wrote:
One thing that comes to mind (although the railroad was standard gauge), was the Colorado Midland bringing gold ore down from Victor/Cripple Creek to the processing plant in Colorado Springs
Since it is a transfer of narrow gauge to standard would they have carried it on down, or would hte processing plant been right there.  They wouldn't want all that gold getting lost in the transfer.  That is sort of what I was thinking of when I said "foundary".  Maybe smelter would have been better term.

 beach bill wrote:
How about a produce/grocery warehouse (all those processed victuals such as barrels of flour need to be shipped up the hill).... an ice house .... for servicing the through refrigerator cars. ....a small crane would be a good additon at the transfer point.
I considered the groceries under dry goods.  The produce could work in conjunction with the ice house.  Have the ice hose and cold storage in the same building. I don't know if icing a reefer train high in the mountains is a good idea or not.  I had a small crane planned at the freight station/team track.

 brakie wrote:
Duel gauge freight house for all those Sears & Roebuck mail orders which would include stoves, ice boxes,furniture etc.Inbound buggies,wheels,feed, seed,autos.
Had the freight house, didn't really consider it an industry.   I had thought about the feed & seed and sort of rejected it.  Not much farming here so the only feed would be for livery stables, or is there another reason there would be one of these.   Ah yes, parts for buggies and wagons - blacksmith supplies.

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Posted by bogp40 on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:02 PM
Wheelright (carriage, chassis and buckboard), blacksmith, glass, coal/ oil etc.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:14 PM

 bogp40 wrote:
glass
? I need an explaination of that one.

coal/ oil etc.
I had coal transfer.  When did oil start?  It was "discovered" in the 1860s but how big was it.  I guess that is 40 years to catch on.  For some reason I was thinking 1910 is when oil got big.?  What am I thinking of - must be gasoline!

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Posted by bogp40 on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:22 PM

Glass. Furnace/ kiln for sheet glass products, glass containers, bottles etc. Most glass was transported to about late 1800s, not sure when industry was just starting to grow beyond major cities.

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Posted by csmith9474 on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:22 PM
 Texas Zepher wrote:

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 csmith9474 wrote:
One thing that comes to mind (although the railroad was standard gauge), was the Colorado Midland bringing gold ore down from Victor/Cripple Creek to the processing plant in Colorado Springs
Since it is a transfer of narrow gauge to standard would they have carried it on down, or would hte processing plant been right there.  They wouldn't want all that gold getting lost in the transfer.  That is sort of what I was thinking of when I said "foundary".  Maybe smelter would have been better term.

As far as the Colorado Midland goes, that was a lot of their business till the final days. I was surprised to learn that the ore was transported to the Springs when I first started researching that particular railroad.

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Posted by canazar on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:58 PM

Could always throw in a team track.  I have a couple of those on my layout and use them, what I refer to was "wildcards".  Allows me to use any car, any make or style if I want to break from the norm and my usual industries. Could make a nice spot with a dock and enough room for 2 or 3 cars, use when needed or urge strikes you.

Since you have a interchange, could be also double as a RIP track for the railroads...

Just throwing some ideas out.

 

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Posted by MStLfan on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:29 AM

Your freight house / team track / transfer crane would not be complete without a loading dock. Maybe cover it partly with a roof (no walls), depending on climate.

Depending on volume put out by the mines, either direct transfer of ore or a stamp mill to reduce the volume?

Beer and whisky distributors.

Private teamtracks? More than one of everything if you have room for it.

Transloading of stone (ballast / limestone)

Your choice: narrow and standard gauge track on one side of the freight house etc. or each on a separate side.

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