loathar wrote: Highhood63-I'll take all that "smoky" smelling stock at 1/2 price!
Highhood63-I'll take all that "smoky" smelling stock at 1/2 price!
Well you would be welcomed to it, maybe later you could ebay it for that shiny new Iron lung, or one of those nifty robot voice boxes when they burn out your vocal cords.
loathar wrote: I wish the government would just ban cigarettes and alcohol already! Then we can listen to all the non smokers and drinkers whine and cry when their taxes go up 20% overnight!THAT would be worth giving up my smokes for!
I wouldn't whine I would rejoice at my taxes lowering because now I don't have to support every deadbeat weak willed igits Kemo bill. See very few folks know this but a good portion of the outlay you have every week in Medicare and other taxed social programs is for BS like that, and I call it BS because if these idiots wouldn't smoke I wouldn't be paying it.
loathar wrote:I think a smoking business owner should at least buy one of those industrial smoke eaters if he's going to smoke in a public access area. Even my smoke shop has one of those.
Or he could do something intelligent ...like quit or have the decency not to pollute the people who are feeding him air.
Smoking is being Banned Everywhere........If it is not where you live, it soon will be.
This will eliminate your problem.
I AM A SMOKER that lives in Minnesota where Smoking is no longer allowed indoors ANYWHERE, not even in Bars ( and they are dropping like flies......Guys who have spent their entire lives building business's are losing everything.....This is going too far.
Non smokers have always had a Choice wether they supported a certain establishment or not while smokers have been given NO choice.
Government is stripping freedoms left & right in the name of the common good......Soon we will no longer be individuals but Model Citizens............Sound a bit Facist? Thats Because IT IS!!!
Alot of misinformation and propoganda has been targeted to get where the anti smokers wanted to be.........Did you know 1 city bus spews MORE poisons into the air each day then every smoker combined in a city puts out in a Year........Oh, they forgot to mention that one didnt they ;)
To Non smokers: When its time to give up 1 of your freedoms that you take for granted, remember where you were standing when they took away EVERY Smokers freedom. We tried to be polite, we tried to be understanding, we tried to be socially responsible, and Nothing we did was enough.
Companies advertised to us , put in addatives, got us addicted, and rather than see this as an Injustice to us we get treated like Lepers...........kinda how the Vietnam Vet was treated.
As to the hobby shop. If you dont like the smoke, Dont go to That Shop...You have that choice. He is addicted to cigarettes, His choices are few, especcially at times when he is Alone in the shop. He doesnt have the option of just Stepping outdoors ...........
highhood63 wrote: loathar wrote: I wish the government would just ban cigarettes and alcohol already! Then we can listen to all the non smokers and drinkers whine and cry when their taxes go up 20% overnight!THAT would be worth giving up my smokes for! I wouldn't whine I would rejoice at my taxes lowering because now I don't have to support every deadbeat weak willed igits Kemo bill. See very few folks know this but a good portion of the outlay you have every week in Medicare and other taxed social programs is for BS like that, and I call it BS because if these idiots wouldn't smoke I wouldn't be paying it.
This thread will soon be locked and gone, so here goes. Get off your high horse man, who do you think you are to pass judgement on what anyone chooses to do with their life? You don't smoke, good for you. You probably drink though, just like the rest of population. I'm sure you have a tail that can be stepped on as well, so it's best to keep quiet.
TONY
"If we never take the time, how can we ever have the time." - Merovingian (Matrix Reloaded)
jasperofzeal wrote: highhood63 wrote: loathar wrote: I wish the government would just ban cigarettes and alcohol already! Then we can listen to all the non smokers and drinkers whine and cry when their taxes go up 20% overnight!THAT would be worth giving up my smokes for! I wouldn't whine I would rejoice at my taxes lowering because now I don't have to support every deadbeat weak willed igits Kemo bill. See very few folks know this but a good portion of the outlay you have every week in Medicare and other taxed social programs is for BS like that, and I call it BS because if these idiots wouldn't smoke I wouldn't be paying it. This thread will soon be locked and gone, so here goes. Get off your high horse man, who do you think you are to pass judgement on what anyone chooses to do with their life? You don't smoke, good for you. You probably drink though, just like the rest of population. I'm sure you have a tail that can be stepped on as well, so it's best to keep quiet.
Wow Internet tough guy. Here is the thing Professor, I don't pass Judgment on folks that decide to screw up their own lives. Its when the idiot effects my life that I get a bit bent out of shape. And smokers effect me, and anyone else that pays taxes, and has to deal with their weakness. I understand that you can't comprehend this, but maybe you can get someone that uses smaller words to explain it to you. :)
Also yep I have a Tail, but I doubt seriously anyone that smokes can step on it. :P Now calm down go have a smoke or something.
I don't smoke and hate being exposed to it -especially in a train shop!. I personally would just come right out and tell the guy that if he wanted my business the smoke would have to go...
Tracklayer
Terry in NW Wisconsin
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saronaterry wrote:When can we ban fast food joints? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying for overweight people's medical problems.
/Agreed!
Tracklayer wrote: I don't smoke and hate being exposed to it -especially in a train shop!. I personally would just come right out and tell the guy that if he wanted my business the smoke would have to go...Tracklayer
I would say CYA!!!!
His shop, his ambiance. I wouldn't say anything. In these days of rabid anti-smokers, he would have to be pretty dense not to already know he's losing customers. If he is that dense he'll soon be out of business regardless of what anyone tells him.
Given all the pollutants we are generating - cars, trucks, airplanes, power plants, manufacturing plants, fireplaces, aerosols, etc. It seems a litte hypocritical to get morally indignant about just one of them. Just go on your way and shop elsewhere.
Personally, I am an ex- but not reformed smoker.
Like everyone else here, just my
Paul
Although I smoked cigars during my time in Iraq (boredom?), and smoked a pipe as a Civil War reenactor, I can't stand cigarette smoke. It drives me nuts. I hate it.
But if someone wants to smoke in his own establishment, then I have no problem with that. If it bothers me, I won't shop there.
I still go to the occasional bar, and most bars in the US still allow smoking. I hate how my clothes smell afterward, but it's the price I pay for a social appointment with friends. No big deal.
I'm OK with banning cigarette smoking in any place that exposes children directly to smoke, like family restaurants, schools, bus and train stations, airports, etc. Having smoking rooms in airports is a good idea as long as the air is cycled seperately from the main concourse. But heck, you should be able to smoke outside for cryin' out loud.
On the one hand there's public safety. On the other hand, there's individual rights. As much as I don't like smoking, I think in many respects the government has carried the smoking ban way too far.
Again, I'd just let the guy smoke and not visit. His right to puff, your right to not inhale.
Modeling the Rio Grande Southern First District circa 1938-1946 in HOn3.
selector wrote: Driline wrote: selector wrote: I would ask the person, discretely (not while a customer is within earshot) if he would be open to some feedback since his business at this store is quite new. If he seemed open to it, I would make the statement and do it in as neutral or positive a way as I could so as not to offend. But I would make it clear that my experience in his store was not as pleasant as I think it "could be." Then, it would be up to him/her to decide how they should respond, including changing their smoking habits inside the confines that customers would be forced to use while they shopped.-CrandellPeople dont' change. Psychology 101. Go somewhere else.Of course they change, me boy. All overt behaviour is contextual. If you won't accept it on my account, then look up Fritz Heider and what he termed the "fundamental attribution error". Also found in Psych 101, people do what they are reinforced for doing. B.F. Skinner was behind that one. If a person gets the drift of several complainants' messages, he is likely to alter his behaviour. Of course, that may be to close the shop, but I at least we'd know where he stands.
Driline wrote: selector wrote: I would ask the person, discretely (not while a customer is within earshot) if he would be open to some feedback since his business at this store is quite new. If he seemed open to it, I would make the statement and do it in as neutral or positive a way as I could so as not to offend. But I would make it clear that my experience in his store was not as pleasant as I think it "could be." Then, it would be up to him/her to decide how they should respond, including changing their smoking habits inside the confines that customers would be forced to use while they shopped.-CrandellPeople dont' change. Psychology 101. Go somewhere else.
selector wrote: I would ask the person, discretely (not while a customer is within earshot) if he would be open to some feedback since his business at this store is quite new. If he seemed open to it, I would make the statement and do it in as neutral or positive a way as I could so as not to offend. But I would make it clear that my experience in his store was not as pleasant as I think it "could be." Then, it would be up to him/her to decide how they should respond, including changing their smoking habits inside the confines that customers would be forced to use while they shopped.-Crandell
I would ask the person, discretely (not while a customer is within earshot) if he would be open to some feedback since his business at this store is quite new. If he seemed open to it, I would make the statement and do it in as neutral or positive a way as I could so as not to offend. But I would make it clear that my experience in his store was not as pleasant as I think it "could be." Then, it would be up to him/her to decide how they should respond, including changing their smoking habits inside the confines that customers would be forced to use while they shopped.
-Crandell
People dont' change. Psychology 101.
Go somewhere else.
Of course they change, me boy. All overt behaviour is contextual. If you won't accept it on my account, then look up Fritz Heider and what he termed the "fundamental attribution error". Also found in Psych 101, people do what they are reinforced for doing. B.F. Skinner was behind that one. If a person gets the drift of several complainants' messages, he is likely to alter his behaviour. Of course, that may be to close the shop, but I at least we'd know where he stands.
Your textbook statements are correct. I just meant it in a generalized depressing way. You, know.... "Can't teach an old dog new tricks". "His spots never really go away" etc. etc. In my life experience I'd say you're lucky if 10% change.
highhood63 wrote: jasperofzeal wrote: highhood63 wrote: loathar wrote: I wish the government would just ban cigarettes and alcohol already! Then we can listen to all the non smokers and drinkers whine and cry when their taxes go up 20% overnight!THAT would be worth giving up my smokes for! I wouldn't whine I would rejoice at my taxes lowering because now I don't have to support every deadbeat weak willed igits Kemo bill. See very few folks know this but a good portion of the outlay you have every week in Medicare and other taxed social programs is for BS like that, and I call it BS because if these idiots wouldn't smoke I wouldn't be paying it. This thread will soon be locked and gone, so here goes. Get off your high horse man, who do you think you are to pass judgement on what anyone chooses to do with their life? You don't smoke, good for you. You probably drink though, just like the rest of population. I'm sure you have a tail that can be stepped on as well, so it's best to keep quiet.Wow Internet tough guy. Here is the thing Professor, I don't pass Judgment on folks that decide to screw up their own lives. Its when the idiot effects my life that I get a bit bent out of shape. And smokers effect me, and anyone else that pays taxes, and has to deal with their weakness. I understand that you can't comprehend this, but maybe you can get someone that uses smaller words to explain it to you. :)Also yep I have a Tail, but I doubt seriously anyone that smokes can step on it. :P Now calm down go have a smoke or something.
I agree with you highhood63. Jasper tends to get his panties in a bind when people don't agree with him, so you'll have to excuse him.
I think what people don't understand are those millions of Americans that smoke and DONT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. As taxpayers, we in fact are paying for their right to smoke, if not now, sometime in the future when they're coughing up lung. Now if you're a smoker and have your own paid up health insurance, hey go for it. Just my
loathar wrote:Driline and HighHood- The hundreds of billions of dollars the government collects in sin taxes every year MORE than offsets those health costs. If they weren't making a profit, they would ban them. Now just to make sure this ridiculous thread gets locked, if you want to whine and cry, (yes you are HighHood) Then cry about the all the non tax paying illegals using up those government and medical services THAT THEY AREN'T PAYING TAXES FOR!!!!! Quit picking on the tax paying smokers! (frackin Koolaid drinker)
You're right, except our brilliant politicians are using those taxes to pay for their own lousy porkbarrel spending.
After 30 years of working on locomotives in the "pre-no smoking" days on Southern Pacific, my concern in a closed environment, apart from my health, would be the fact that the merchandise would eventually get covered in nicotine residue. The cab interiors of SP locomotives quickly went from new "Seafoam Green" to a disgusting brown-green in a matter of weeks, the result of endless hours of exposure to cigarette smoke. Not only was it unhealthy, but unsightly, smelly and rank to touch. It could not be any different in the shop you speak of.
Bottom line: it is your health, your money and your choice. For me, I wouldn't expose myself or my family to that if I didn't have to.
TA-it's like that in the US too. There really aren't any public places where you can smoke anymore. Heck! Parts of California want to ban smoking in your own home and some apartments won't rent to smokers. Hotels/motels are all going smoke free. And I am one of those considerate smokers you talk about, but on my property, I'm gonna smoke. If somebody doesn't like that, they don't have to come over.
Tobacco is my favorite vegetable-Frank Zappa (dying of cancer still smoking a cigarette!)
I enjoy fast food, but I'm not in any health problems. I'm tired of you guys complaining about tax dollars and such. Loathar, pick on somebody else, not high hood. Now everybody calm down. I ageree that smokers should be more considerate of others and just step outside. I'm not old enouygh to fully grasp this, but I want to live my life without problems from secod hand smoke. Besides, you smokers have some restuarants with smoking sections. To the starter of this thread: Some good internet sites:
www.wholesaletrains.com
www.modeltrainstuff.com
www.blueridgehobbies.com
Unfortunalty, you do have to pay shipping.
Sawyer Berry
Clemson University c/o 2018
Building a protolanced industrial park layout
TA462 wrote:I've been a EX smoker for around 20 years now and I can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke now. All you smokers out there truly don't realize how bad you and all your possesions stink of stale cigarette smoke. Like someone said all ready, the Province of Ontario has banned smoking almost everywhere and it really is a good thing. Its nice to be able to go out and enjoy a nice meal at a restaurant and not have some moron who thinks its his god given right to blow smoke in the direction of my food. I have a few friends that smoke vernd they show respect to the non smokers by not smoking around them. Its to bad all smokers were not like that, just by the tone of a few posts here you can tell some people think its their right to smoke out in public and blow stale smoke towards other people.
What rights are you referring to,Civil Rights, Constitutional Rights,I served 4yrs in the military to protect your rights and the rights of smokers,as a smoker I earned the right to blow smoke wherever I want,LAND OF THE FREE,BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!!
Shreve Rail,
Nice of you to pick a topic to start a rant fest. Are you serious about this or are you just kicking up dust???? I notice your high post count. Makes me wonder.... (sometimes I look to the west)
Out to the train room,
Guy
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edo1039 wrote: He owns it he can do whatever he wants,either suck it up or move on.A smoker.
He owns it he can do whatever he wants,either suck it up or move on.A smoker.
This quote hit the nail right squarely on the head.
For longer than 50% of the population has been alive, we have known how bad smoking is for the smoker. For more than 20 years, we have known that it is unhealthy for the innocent second hand smoke breathers.
People who still smoke today, and in particular those who have begun smoking in the last 20 years don't care whether or not it bothers others. They have convinced themselves that they are the victims of discrimination because others don't like to smell their smoke.
Any attempt to ask them to respect YOUR right to breathe clean air will be met with a belligerent response like the one above. Save your breath, and do just what this poster said. "Move on". There are lots of places to buy trains.
This is my only comment. I am not going to engage in a protracted argument about smokers' rights.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow