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This really is a great discussion, one of the better ive seen on the subject lately.I would use quotes etc here but since they changed the format in the forum here ive much to relearn I see.Suffice it to say All points taken (Nick, Dave) [#oops], did I forget Larry......well, thats what he gets for being stuck up & not saying Hi back[:P]I would have to say that Combining some idea's here coupled with other observations, the initiator of this thread should be well Pleased.Dave , you said:I get a definite impression that lot of modelers end up using other layouts that they seein magazines , shows etc as stand in for the real thing.I agree with that (to a point). Some forums I have visited seem to stand out with their posted plans as having more of this than others...its pretty easy to see actually once you know what you are looking for LOL.....There are others however that seem to do a very good job of helping get people beyond this. (switching puzzle in a yard has got to be the second worst thing you can do)What would be the first worst?Using a yard for storage I would think.....that is simply my opinion of course :)Yards have got to be the most difficult area of a layout to configure for most & I agree there is NO PAT ANSWER.......nothing one can do or say to help an individual that will cover all rr's through any layout for any type of operation, there are simply to many variables.What we can do though is stress in order of importance what a yard needs followed by desireable followed by would be nice to have and then perhaps a definite Luxury but if youve got the room heck yea!!The above would certainly Vary by Era somewhat so it could be adjusted as a generalization for late 1800's to WW1  WW1 to WW2 Era 1946 - 1965 and finally modern......(yes i know it could be easily broken down further but these should be sufficient for a general overview)Example ERA 1880-1919NEED -1 arrival TrackNEED - 1 Departure trackNeed - 1 drill track average train length x 1.5 minimumDesireable - Eng Service trackDesireable - X makeup trackswould be nice - Rip trackLuxury - caboose tracketc etc etcSomething like this Would go a long ways to help FNG's (fairly new guys) determine a plan of attack that would at least generally fit into their proposed Era & Possibly keep these same FNG's from ending up with a switching puzzle where their Drill track should be [:D]It would also be interesting to see what Differences would crop up between the 3 of you [(-D]Todd
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