jeffrey-wimberly wrote: jktrains wrote:Jeff - Listen to DonZ. You've now taken a perfectly good shell/loco and ruined it. Cannon fans would have been a good solution and improved the appearance of the loco. You solution has done the opposite. You might as well have just drilled a bunch of holes in the roof and sides. Everyone else - don't listen to Jeff! This is NOT what you should do to your loco if heat is an issue.Look, it's my equipment and I'll do with it as I please. You don't want me chopping on it, then buy it. I'm not going to waste time wishing for detail parts that I can't get with money I don't have. Some like to dress their locos up, others, such as myself, take a more utilitarian approach. The only visible damage is to the dynamic brake housing, which is easily replaceable. And yes, the cheap Bachmann decoders run hot and will burn up if the heat is not vented away. I can easily replace the brake housing once I get a cooler running decoder. I cannot however fix a bunch of holes in the body. I am not an idiot so quit trying to make me look like one with your remarks. I didn't tell anybody that my approach to the heat problem I was having is the one they should use, I simply said it's the one that I used in this case. If they want to do the same, that's up to them, not you. You have no right to tell me what I can and can't do with my equipment. You don't like what I'm doing to it? That's fine. I know what I'm doing, that's why the only visible area that's damaged is a small easily replaceable part.
jktrains wrote:Jeff - Listen to DonZ. You've now taken a perfectly good shell/loco and ruined it. Cannon fans would have been a good solution and improved the appearance of the loco. You solution has done the opposite. You might as well have just drilled a bunch of holes in the roof and sides. Everyone else - don't listen to Jeff! This is NOT what you should do to your loco if heat is an issue.
Everyone else - don't listen to Jeff! This is NOT what you should do to your loco if heat is an issue.
Jeff,
I'll agree with you on one thing - it's you're equipment and you can do what you want with it. If you want to mutilate it with a Dremel - go ahead; if you want to paint with a 1" wide brush, obscure all the details and use paper decals - fine go ahead. If you want to run it off the end of the track and onto the floor, fine go ahead.
But your approach is to present things as if they are a viable, reasonable solution as to how to do things or solve a problem. Add to the equation the fact that your post count is very high so that unknowing readers could easily conclude that you must know a great deal and should therefore follow your example. I have a problem when someone presents a method to do something, anything, that is contrary to acceptable modeling practices or common sense. People come here for advice and information. To present things the way you have is wrong and it needs to be pointed out that it is not the way things should be done.
Regarding trying to make you look like an idiot. Unfortunately my friend, your own comments and pictures do a far better job than I could ever do. Someone who would install a decoder using masking tape, take a dremel and remove pieces of a model to solve a heat problem, all while saying it was a temporary install, and then posts pictures of it is doing more than I can do.
Regarding the "I can't get parts with money I don't have" response. It starting to get old. Save it up. Over the last few weeks I've seen posts from you about burning out a motor by letting it sit on DCC, about making a retaining wall mold and plaster castings etc. You stated that the motor was a surplus from changing out a motor. fine, but to intentionally burn it out, says there is some excess. Making latex molds is not a cheap process. Sure it is cheaper than buying 20 other the same thing, but the point being that you have/had the money to buy the mold making material. Lets, consider the loco/decoder install at hand. You said it was a temporary install with a cheap bachmann decoder. Where did the surplus decoder come from? You said you can replace the dynamic brake housing when you install a better decoder, which is true. So how much is the new brake housing? Also consider that based on your previous posts, the nearest hobby shop is a long way away, so you either have to drive there (in your gas guzzling, by your own admission, car) to pick it up, or pay postage to have it shipped. Sure you could combine additional purchases to spread out that expense, but nonetheless, the cost of the new part is still there. All this from someone who continually says how little disposalable funds he has. In short it doesn't always add up.
Again, yea, I have no right to tell you want to do with your equipment, but if I see somone posting bad advice I have an right to say that the advice is bad and tell others not to follow it. Also, re-read my comments. I didn't tell you what to do or not do. I did agreed with DonZ's suggestion about using Cannon parts. I did tell everyone else not to do what you've done.
Guys - this is starting to get ugly. May I suggest you continue this disagreement out of this topic and in Private Messages (or email)?
Great pics everyone
James
Great weathering and pics of Milw, keep them coming please.
I have to agree with Mark, Some of the things posted are an example of how NOT to do things, Those "How to's are not exactly an example most of the serious modelers want to have representing them, and are uncomfortable with the display of a hacked loco shell and taped up decoder. Yes, what you do with your stuff, like burning up loco motors on DCC, is your business, but when you post it in a public forum, it is then open to public scrutiny, like it or not.
MAbruce wrote: Guys - this is starting to get ugly. May I suggest you continue this disagreement out of this topic and in Private Messages (or email)?
jktrains wrote:Regarding the "I can't get parts with money I don't have" response. It starting to get old. Save it up. Over the last few weeks I've seen posts from you about burning out a motor by letting it sit on DCC, about making a retaining wall mold and plaster castings etc. You stated that the motor was a surplus from changing out a motor. fine, but to intentionally burn it out, says there is some excess. Making latex molds is not a cheap process. Sure it is cheaper than buying 20 other the same thing, but the point being that you have/had the money to buy the mold making material. Lets, consider the loco/decoder install at hand. You said it was a temporary install with a cheap bachmann decoder. Where did the surplus decoder come from? You said you can replace the dynamic brake housing when you install a better decoder, which is true. So how much is the new brake housing? Also consider that based on your previous posts, the nearest hobby shop is a long way away, so you either have to drive there (in your gas guzzling, by your own admission, car) to pick it up, or pay postage to have it shipped. Sure you could combine additional purchases to spread out that expense, but nonetheless, the cost of the new part is still there. All this from someone who continually says how little disposalable funds he has. In short it doesn't always add up.
Now do you see where I'm coming from?
Dr. Frankendiesel aka Scott Running BearSpace Mouse for president!15 year veteran fire fighterCollector of Apple //e'sRunning Bear EnterprisesHistory Channel Club life member.beatus homo qui invenit sapientiam
Jeff - not to add fuel to the fire or anything, but you stated a couple of pages ago that you traded for the GP with your neighbors son?! I have never gotten involved in anything like this, but I have to agree with others. I normally look past your posts but you are really starting to get to me...
cf-7 wrote: Jeff - not to add fuel to the fire or anything, but you stated a couple of pages ago that you traded for the GP with your neighbors son?! I have never gotten involved in anything like this, but I have to agree with others. I normally look past your posts but you are really starting to get to me...
Driline- All of my models are HO... well I hope they all are.. But, I have always had a spot for the Milwaukee Road... Infact, that's all I model.. and alittle nit of the Northern Pacific.. but outside of that, it's the Milwaukee. Right at the moment I have about 23 Milwaukee Road units. Mostly consisting of U boats and electrics.
This shot is of two of the three electrics I own. I don't have my steeple cab in the photo. But the Little Joe and Bipolar are there. The U30C sits next to them.
These are the other locomotives that currently run on the layout.. You will notice the od balls at the end. Two BN locos.. One a B30-7 with sound and the other a U33C. Both for outstanding prices. The UP C30-7 I also picked up for a really good price. I have not included the Milwaukee road F9s A-B-A set from Athearn Genesis. I also have two E units. One is an E8, the other an E6. I have not included my DL109s or my Erie Builts... So there are a few locos not included. If I count them, I have a little over thirty locos.
Happy railroading
Jeff
Outstanding job !!! gives me an idea for some of my locos.
JIM
oleirish wrote: JeffOutstanding job !!! gives me an idea for some of my locos.JIM
If Jeffery's attempts at creative modeling have piqued your interest, then perhaps I could wet your appetite with a few of my own avant garde modeling techniques.
My latest venture..... "Weathering Engines with Crayola Crayons".
Jim,
Please pardon my thick headedness, but could you explain what you meant by "Outstanding Job"? 'Cause I don't get what you're referring to.
jktrains
jeffrey-wimberly wrote: MAbruce wrote: Guys - this is starting to get ugly. May I suggest you continue this disagreement out of this topic and in Private Messages (or email)?Not a problem for me. This is going to be my last post in these weekend photo threads. No matter how good any of my photos are, somebody always has to lambast the smallest negative item. I've had enough of it.
You were shown a great deal of compassion by other forum members who took it upon themselves to help you out and improve your photo equipment. No one is lambasting your pictures. Get over it.
The comments, and I was not the first, had to do with the installation of the decoder and the missteps being shown. Go back and re-read Mark's comments. I think he was right on track.
You were shown a great deal of compassion by other forum members who took it upon themselves to help you out and improve your photo equipment.
Speaking of which, Jeff, how is the 64meg card I sent you? If I find the 128meg card, I will send that out too.