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I look at it this way, UP owns the the name and shield, if you want to use it for your own personal use, you don't have to pay for the use, once you start to profit from the use, then you owe UP period. My dad worked the advertising department with the Santa Fe for 31 years and I can remember him constantly saying they (the Santa Fe) were experiencing problems with people/business using their logo and name and profit from it and not even getting permission or paying the Santa Fe for the rights. <br />Ch
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