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Rivarrossi two truck Heisler upgrade to dcc

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Rivarrossi two truck Heisler upgrade to dcc
Posted by groovy45 on Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:59 PM

I have a DC HO scale two truck Hielser that i wan't to convert to DCC.I went online and only came up with a few conversations to DC and DCC ready locos, but no one seem to come to a conclusion or reply back to the post,they sometimes end the conversation and never let anyone know if it was complete or successful.I have done a lot of conversions myself and know how to isolate the motor and track, but this one did not go well,so if anyone has done this conversion befor and can give me a few tips on how i can complete this conversion, i would be very greatfull for any help.Also i'm going to keep trying with my meter to find out if theres a short somewere. 

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Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:55 PM

Long paragraphs and/or run on sentences are tough to read.

Youtube vids are just demos of the sound and the TCS installations are on DCC ready.  I did find posts on other forums that said the "motor case was live" and another that said he added an "extra wiper"   No further details.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:49 PM

It would help us if you give us something to go on.  Saying it didn’t go well isn’t much information.  I have converted a bunch of Rivarossi articulated locomotives and everyone was very simple and straight forward.  I don’t have any experience with the Heisler but pretty much every Rivarossi I’ve come across have been easy to work on and rewire to DCC.
 
You said that you have isolated the motor and as far as I know that should take care of any electrical problems.
 
Did it run OK on DC before the conversion attempt?
 
The Rivarossi motor can and often draws a lot of current so without changing it out to a can motor you will need a high current decoder, minimum of 1 amp or 1½ amp to be on the safe side.
 
 
 
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Posted by groovy45 on Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:49 PM

BigDaddy

Long paragraphs and/or run on sentences are tough to read.

Youtube vids are just demos of the sound and the TCS installations are on DCC ready.  I did find posts on other forums that said the "motor case was live" and another that said he added an "extra wiper"   No further details.

 

I apologize for the run on sentences and long paragragraphs,thats the way i get some times,i should get wright to the point ,it's old age.Thank you for your reply.

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Posted by groovy45 on Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:00 PM

RR_Mel

It would help us if you give us something to go on.  Saying it didn’t go well isn’t much information.  I have converted a bunch of Rivarossi articulated locomotives and everyone was very simple and straight forward.  I don’t have any experience with the Heisler but pretty much every Rivarossi I’ve come across have been easy to work on and rewire to DCC.
 
You said that you have isolated the motor and as far as I know that should take care of any electrical problems.
 
Did it run OK on DC before the conversion attempt?
 
The Rivarossi motor can and often draws a lot of current so without changing it out to a can motor you will need a high current decoder, minimum of 1 amp or 1½ amp to be on the safe side.
 
 
 
Mel
 
 
My Model Railroad   
 
Bakersfield, California
 
I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
 
 

Thank you for your reply,i should upgrade the motor and check the pickups.Im going to check the stall current on the motor tonight, i fogot all about that.Thanks for the reminder.  

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Posted by richg1998 on Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:42 PM

Since you are going to convert to a can motor and know about good pickups and doing current test, I would suggest a Digitrax DZ126 decoder, good for one amp and HO locos. I have used it. Quite small.

TCS has a small one amp decoder also. You missed this one.

http://tcsdcc.com/installation/ho-scale/rivarossi-2-truck-heisler/m1p-1

They also show a three truck. No WOW sound installations though.

You did not mention sound but SounTraxx does have some decoder, speaker suggestions but no plans.

https://www.soundtraxx.com/choose/step1.php?s=HO-Rivarossi

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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:20 PM

BigDaddy
Long paragraphs and/or run on sentences are tough to read.

Very true, at least double space after a period.

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Posted by snjroy on Friday, March 1, 2019 6:38 AM

Hi there. I converted two Heislers. I kept the original motors (the round ones) as they are very good and don't draw too much current. The motor is already isolated from the frame, you just need to cut the wires that feed the motor. I used 1 amp decoders.

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Posted by groovy45 on Friday, March 1, 2019 8:04 PM

I want to thank everyone for there advise and responses. I'll let everyone know how the conversion turns out after testing the loco on the programing track.

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Posted by railandsail on Saturday, March 2, 2019 5:53 AM

richg1998

Since you are going to convert to a can motor and know about good pickups and doing current test, I would suggest a Digitrax DZ126 decoder, good for one amp and HO locos. I have used it. Quite small.

TCS has a small one amp decoder also. You missed this one.

http://tcsdcc.com/installation/ho-scale/rivarossi-2-truck-heisler/m1p-1

They also show a three truck. No WOW sound installations though.

 

Rich

 

That was interesting about the DCC conversion,...and the subties of getting inside that loco. I have one or 2 of these locos and eventually will need to get inside.
Thanks

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Posted by richg1998 on Saturday, March 2, 2019 9:54 PM

That is what I find interesting about the TCS site.The TCS site is growing as users submit the installs.

Some locos and tenders can be tricky to open.

The first place I look at when I see a question about installs.

Last I heard, Bachmann seems to be using TCS decoders in at least two locos now.

I find many You Tube videos about DCC and sound but very few about they did the install which is much more important.

Rich

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Posted by BumpyJack68 on Saturday, February 19, 2022 3:03 PM

Try this

 

https://tcsdcc.com/installation/ho-scale/1465

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