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PB&NE CBOOSE?

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PB&NE CBOOSE?
Posted by WestIslandRon on Saturday, May 1, 2021 8:07 AM

Did the Philadelphia Bethlehem & New England (the railroad serving Bethlehem Steel mill) ever have a caboose?  I've looked online and found a roster of their locomotives and pictures of their gons.  Also found some pictures of a caboose from the Cambria & Indiana (a 'cousin' railroad in the Bethlehem Steel family).  I guess it would depend if there was ever a need for a PB&NE train to leave the Beth Steel premises and venture out on common carrier trackage.   

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Posted by BigDaddy on Saturday, May 1, 2021 4:02 PM

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Posted by WestIslandRon on Saturday, May 1, 2021 5:21 PM

Henry,

Thanks.  Saw this as I was scanning the i'net, but wasn't sure if they based it on a real prototype or not. 

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Posted by BigDaddy on Saturday, May 1, 2021 7:28 PM

I looked at several pictures and videos of Beth St railroads and one of them was hauling a manifest freight.  The end of the train was not visible. 

In a pure steel mill operation, a caboose would be a liability.

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Posted by NHTX on Saturday, May 1, 2021 9:30 PM

     The car in Atlas' drawing looks an awful lot like Southern Pacific's first steel bay windowed C-30-4 cabooses.  The prototypes were built by American Car and Foundry in 1947, with 35, numbers 1235-1269 going to SP and T&NO getting 15 cars, numbers 500-514.

     Would Atlas paint a car in a fictitious paint scheme?  Look what they did with their C&O prototype "Trainman" steel, cupola caboose.  Or, it seems far-fetched but, did PB&NE actually buy an SP caboose?

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Posted by BigDaddy on Sunday, May 2, 2021 9:04 AM

NHTX
Or, it seems far-fetched but, did PB&NE actually buy an SP caboose? Add Quote to your Post

Patapsco & Back Rivers bought all their locos 2nd hand.  If they actually used cabooses, I'm sure they would buy them 2nd hand.

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Posted by NHTX on Sunday, May 2, 2021 11:17 AM

     I fully agree with the fact that secondhand equipment is a given for most smaller railroads.  It just seems more logical that, if the PBNE did buy a second hand caboose, there were plenty of eastern roads that had them available.  For instance, the Akron, Canton & Youngstown, Pittsburg (no "h") and Shawmut, and, the Raritan River, all bought second-hand NE-5 and, NE-6 cabooses from the New Haven.  If Atlas had done their C&O caboose in O scale, would they have painted IT in PBNE?  It would be more believable than an SP bay window.

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Posted by 7j43k on Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:29 PM

If you want to ask people with more experience in this matter, you should join:

 

https://groups.io/g/STEEL

 

The people are very helpful.

 

PB&NE had real reporting marks.  The railroad had rolling stock listed in the ORER.

Here's a map of the railroad:

 

 

 

 

 

That's a pretty small railroad.  It interchanged with Lehigh Valley and Reading.  I expect everywhere on that railroad was within yard limits.  Hence there never was a train operated on the railroad, and a caboose would never be required.  At the pleasure of the railroad, a caboose of some sort COULD have been used.

That no photo of such a caboose has turned up hints that there probably wasn't one.

Morning Sun has produced at least two books on this "neighborhood", just FULL of photos. 

 

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Posted by NittanyLion on Monday, May 3, 2021 11:36 AM

BigDaddy
In a pure steel mill operation, a caboose would be a liability.

The Union RR sees this differently.  They're the in-plant company for the sprawling USS Mon Valley Works and they roster ten cabooses for long reverse moves from the interchange yards.

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