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Tomnoy3, I am working on a small shelf layout related to the Domino's Sugar of Baltimore Md. And it will have a small fiddle yard and a few associated industries. I find that I can easily keep about 36 cars of different types very busy feeding this refinery. I thought about way frieghts that will need to deliver supplies, empties to the complex and discovered that I will need about 3 trains of 10-12 cars in and a similar number out. Suddenly the magnitude of the traffic required to properly model a compressed version of a harbor city and the associated logistics like food, oil, lumber etc hit me. I would need several trains of 30-50 cars a day and I dont have the room. I offer to you a train of about 12 to 14 cars, it is a decent size and you can carry a bit on this train without having the engine's headlight shining into the caboose and keeping the conductor sleepless. You can always run more trains and if you have the room make up a super train with as many cars and your biggest power. Have fun with it. My personal record was about 67 cars behind a old AHM 2-8-8-2 it took alot of track and some delicate throttle work to start the whole thing without too much driver slip. Good Luck with your trains. Lee
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