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turnouts in tunnels?

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turnouts in tunnels?
Posted by dale8chevyss on Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:20 PM

Were turnouts ever placed in a tunnel (like in the Appalachian area) or is this a general railroading no-no?

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Posted by wjstix on Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:38 PM

I imagine someone will come up with some situation somewhere where it happened, but real railroads didn't put turnouts in tunnels. A big factor was that turnouts are often the site of derailments, and you really don't want a train to derail in a tunnel.

Also tunnels as much as possible were single track. It was common for a double track mainline to narrow to a single track to go thru a tunnel. The cost savings of building a single track tunnel often outweighed the bottleneck caused by the tunnel. (To some extent that would be true of bridges too.)

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Posted by DSchmitt on Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:44 PM

Very rare, however a railroad will do whatever is necessary to facilitate their operations.

On the the other hand subways are real railroads too and most if not all their turnouts are in tunnels.

 

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Posted by DSO17 on Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:32 PM

dale8chevyss

Were turnouts ever placed in a tunnel (like in the Appalachian area) or is this a general railroading no-no?

     CSX's (ex-B&O) Harpers Ferry Tunnel has a turnout in it. The West portal is three tracks wide and the East portal is two tracks wide.

    

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Monday, February 13, 2012 4:26 AM

There are some long modern multi-tube tunnels (The Chunnel, for openers) which have special enlarged sections with crossovers so a mishap which blocks one tube won't shut down the entire operation.

I'm aware of one place where the points of a switch were inside a tunnel portal.  The frog and closure rails were out in daylight,  That interlocking was abandoned when a second bore allowed for double track operation.

Granted that it's under a roof rather than in a drilled tunnel, but the entire puzzle palace at Grand Central Terminal is under Park Avenue and the adjacent buildings.

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Posted by dehusman on Monday, February 13, 2012 6:58 AM

Its relatively rare.  They are generally a maintenance nightmare (how do you get new tie in under the existing rails?) plus if the line isn't signalled, determining which way the switch is set could be problematic.

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Posted by ndbprr on Monday, February 20, 2012 4:18 PM
A yahoo image search for "turnout in tunnel" brought up several pictures.

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