Did the 1963 (ex-Lackawanna Limited) or the 1966 Phoebe Snow ever have any dome cars in the consist? And if so, what type were they? I've seen model dome cars done in the Erie Lackawanna scheme yet I can't find any information whether they are prototypical or not. Any info would be appreciated.
Vic
Modelling the span between the real and the N-sane...
The Erie-Lackawanna Limited was renamed Phoebe Snow in 1963 and discontinued in 1966. The Lake Cities ran until 1970. No dome cars ran on any Erie Lackawanna passenger train. Period. Any information or models to the contrary are a fraud and will be dealt with to the full extent of the law and basic human decency.
Bill
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig"
Thank you alfadawg01. That was helpful. I guess the model dome cars are part of a Dream scheme or Fantasy scheme or whatever it's called.
And being a law abiding citizen I shall refrain from running any unlawful dome cars on my model Phoebe Snow.
Flying switch56 And being a law abiding citizen I shall refrain from running any unlawful dome cars on my model Phoebe Snow.
Unless your wife or children give you one for Christmas....in that case, familial harmony and personal safety trump authenticity and good taste.
The EL dome models you saw were probably by IHC....they tend to put any paint job on all their cars.
alfadawg01 Flying switch56 And being a law abiding citizen I shall refrain from running any unlawful dome cars on my model Phoebe Snow. Unless your wife or children give you one for Christmas....in that case, familial harmony and personal safety trump authenticity and good taste.
Funny you should mention that. My wife gave me a set of Santa Fe Budd passenger cars for my birthday a few years back which has a domed observation car. I know Santa Fe never owned such a car, but I still run it with my Super Chief without giving it a second thought. I try to keep as prototypical as possible with my models, but the car just looks too good.
As for the Phoebe Snow I've recently gotten hooked on classic Eastern passenger trains. From what info I've read so far, I've learned that dome cars are somewhat limited in Eastern consists due to various reasons. I was a bit confused when I came across Con-Cor vista domes (I model in N scale) and a site which showed full length domes (!) in the Erie Lackawanna scheme. I'll admit that they do look very nice in Erie Lackawanna colors, but I'd rather try to stay as close to the prototype as possible.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
Actually, after the Erie RR and the DL&W (Lackawanna) merged in 1960, the Erie Limited, which went between Chicago and Jersey City along the Delaware River in NY, was merged with the Lackawanna Phoebe Snow, which up until then had run between Hoboken and Buffalo through Scranton, PA. At the NY end, the two routes came together in Binghamton, NY. The new merged train went between Hoboken and Chicago Through Scranton.
Thank you for the pics Phoebe Vet. I'm surprised to see a heavy weight observation at the end of what I assumed to be a consist of all smooth side cars. More than ever I'm intrigued by this troubled, yet quite significant RR line.
That heavy weight was on there because it was the last trip.
The old Lackawanna Phoebe ran heavyweights pulled by a common numbered F3 ABA set, but the Erie Lackawanna Phoebe was smooth sides pulled by E8s.
Oddly enough, the train, Phoebe Snow, which was named for their advertising character promoting how clean anthracite coal burned, was never pulled by steam.
My wife's paternal grandfather retired from the Lackawanna.
This really is a surprise. I'd known about the adverts regarding the clean burning anthracite, but I find it amazing that this was never in regards to stream power used (or rather, unused) on the Phoebe Snow. I've yet to purchase any literature on the DL&W RR or the Erie Lackawanna, but I would appreciate any suggestions you have to offer as to what books to buy.
Also, would you happen to know which company makes observation cars in N scale similar to those used on the EL Phoebe Snow? Call me strange, but I find those snub-nosed cars just as intriguing as the fancy observations on Milwaukee Hiawathas.
http://www.erielackhs.org/EL/ELHOME.html
http://www.eldiner.org/pages/equip_470.html
http://www.jjlmodels.com/
http://www.primemoverdecals.com/
The character was in their advertising from about 1900, when they ran steam, but they never had a train named for her until 1949, when they renamed their premier train, the Lackawanna Limited to the Phoebe Snow. By then they were changing to F3s.
Notice the portrait of Phoebe in the oval frame hangign on the back wall.
Thank you Phoebe Vet. You've been of great help.
Welp, I finally gave in and ordered a set of Erie Lackawanna passenger cars from Con-Cor (yes, I know they aren't the most prototypical choice, but...). My Phoebe Snow will consist of a full baggage, 2 coaches, 1 dinner and 1 sleeper. I'm hesitant about getting the observation car and may just kit bash one myself.
My latest question concerns Erie Lackawanna Alco PA-1s. I know the last Phoebe Snow was pulled by a pair of E8s, but what train were the PA-1s the motive power of? I'm asking simply because I can pick up a pair of new Life Like PAs at a very reasonable price.
I don't believe that the Lackawanna (DL&W) had any PAs, but the Erie did, so there would have been some on the Erie Lackawanna.
Phoebe was originally pulled by F3 ABA set and later by E8s. She was never pulled by PAs.
Try this:
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-35002
The Erie/EL PA's were found primarily on the Atlantic Express and Pacific Express and in the New Jersey suburban service. They began migrating into freight service in the late 1950's but did turn up in occasional long-haul passenger runs after that.
Thanks again Phoebe Vet. I've seen pics of your passenger train and think the heavy weights look great behind those F units. I went for EL streamlined cars so I'm assuming I'll need to paint an E8 model, since I can't find any for sale in that scheme.
Also, I know my Phoebe Snow isn't close to prototype length, but that restriction is due to my layout size. Having said that, I don't think my train would look too odd being pulled by an AB set of F3s (I hope the purists don't disagree too harshly).
Thanks CSSHEGEWISCH.
Now that I think about it, I think a pair of PA-1s pulling a few heavy weights would make a nice looking train.
FS:
You might enjoy this book:
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/484-1168
Excellent reference book. Just what I needed. Thanks!