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Looking for advice on plan of action for laying track

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Posted by Ablebakercharlie on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 11:27 AM

Steam locomotives should have no trouble traversing well laid track, at least moving forward. Moving in reverse is a whole different issue.

 

Rich

How can track be laid well enough for diesels but not steam locos?   I don't understand.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 11:35 AM

richhotrain
Steam locomotives should have no trouble traversing well laid track, at least moving forward. Moving in reverse is a whole different issue.

This sounds like experience talking.  The only issue I've had was with a Bachmann light Mountain where the trailing truck was too light.  It was fine running forward, but would derail running over switches in reverse.  A little lead solved that problem.  My other steamers run fine.  Must be more to the story here.  Do tell.

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 11:40 AM

Water Level Route
 
richhotrain
Steam locomotives should have no trouble traversing well laid track, at least moving forward. Moving in reverse is a whole different issue. 

This sounds like experience talking.  The only issue I've had was with a Bachmann light Mountain where the trailing truck was too light.  It was fine running forward, but would derail running over switches in reverse.  A little lead solved that problem.  My other steamers run fine.  Must be more to the story here.  Do tell. 

Yep, it is most often the trailing truck that derails a steam loco running in reverse. So, I agree that additional weight solves the problem. That's my story and I am sticking to it.  Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by kasskaboose on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 1:07 PM

Never seems to amaze me how fix derailments!

Glad that the OP is doing well in laying track.  I'd suggest waiting awhile before ballasting.  That's a PITA to fix if a derailment occurs!

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:16 PM

Ablebakercharlie
 
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Ablebakercharlie

Testing the track so far I have had no serious derailments  

No "serious" derailments? Isn't a derailment a derailment? 

Rich 

Good point!  I guess what I meant was that there were no track anomolies that were causing consistent derailments.  For example - one derailment was caused by a track pin on the rails. 

ahh, that is known as "Operator Error".  Laugh

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:19 PM

Ablebakercharlie

Steam locomotives should have no trouble traversing well laid track, at least moving forward. Moving in reverse is a whole different issue. 

Rich

How can track be laid well enough for diesels but not steam locos?   I don't understand. 

What I was trying to say is that track can be laid well enough for steam locomotives as well as diesels. However, steam locomotives can be finicky when moving in reverse over turnouts, usually due to lightweight trailing trucks if they are too springy. Added weight on the trailing trucks will usually solve that problem.

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Posted by Ablebakercharlie on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 3:49 PM

 

 

What I was trying to say is that track can be laid well enough for steam locomotives as well as diesels. However, steam locomotives can be finicky when moving in reverse over turnouts, usually due to lightweight trailing trucks if they are too springy. Added weight on the trailing trucks will usually solve that problem.

 

Rich

 

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Got it.  I'll take a look at the turnouts again to make sure they are level and run the steam locos over them again to see what happens.  

To clarify on my end - I'm having difficulties with evey steam loco I've tried (going forwards) on every turnout on the layout (hesitating or stopping altogether) while the diesels have been no issue at all going fowards or backwards.

 -charles

 

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 4:09 PM

Ablebakercharlie

Got it.  I'll take a look at the turnouts again to make sure they are level and run the steam locos over them again to see what happens.  

To clarify on my end - I'm having difficulties with evey steam loco I've tried (going forwards) on every turnout on the layout (hesitating or stopping altogether) while the diesels have been no issue at all going fowards or backwards.

 -charles 

Charles, have you wired all three ends of each and every turnout?  That is really the key to keeping steam locomotives moving, without hesitating or stopping, over turnouts.

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Posted by Ablebakercharlie on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 4:23 PM

richhotrain

 The short answer is no, I don't.  At this point I have a loop wired with only one connection to it.  All the turnouts lead to track that isn't in operation yet as I want to wire them into blocks.   

I'll take a picture of the layout and post it so you can see what I have so far.  Might take a bit of time to follow the MRR protocols / instructions properly.

Thanks,

charles

Ablebakercharlie

Got it.  I'll take a look at the turnouts again to make sure they are level and run the steam locos over them again to see what happens.  

To clarify on my end - I'm having difficulties with evey steam loco I've tried (going forwards) on every turnout on the layout (hesitating or stopping altogether) while the diesels have been no issue at all going fowards or backwards.

 -charles 

 

 

Charles, have you wired all three ends of each and every turnout?  That is really the key to keeping steam locomotives moving, without hesitating or stopping, over turnouts.

 

Rich

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 8, 2021 5:54 PM

A multimeter or voltmeter will test for the presence of voltage on the turnout.

But, I use a different test. If a locomotive stalls on a turnout, I will transfer power onto the turnout with a pair of wires with alligator clips on both ends. If the locomotive moves, then the turnout needs to be powered with feeders or soldered rail joiners.

In other words, I will clip the end of each wire onto a powered section of straight track adjacent to the turnout, applying one wire to each rail. The other end of each wire is clipped onto the turnout. Be sure not to cross the wires, keep them in phase.

Rich

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