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Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock - a UK based layout

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, July 3, 2021 10:08 AM

A journey around the layout.

Class 56  56035  has arrived on the scene from Balm Road Quarry Sidings  on its way to Crown Point Yard to refuel.

It is behind the Coach & Horses Inn a 18th Century coaching inn.  In days gone teams of horses would be changed here.  A meal would be provided for stagecoach passengers.

Being interested in the Postal Service of days gone, when I saw the model (ready built)  it was a must have.   I gave the model a distressed look reminding me of the one I saw in Yorkshire.

The small Hunt scene of huntsmen and dogs once again a scene seen every New Years Day in our village.

 

 

The other side of the Coach and Horses Inn.  A regular scene before the technology of Sat-Navs.    A man is giving directions to the lorry driver.     Mildred Murray is on a visit to someone.

 

 

Across the road from the Coach and Horses is Albert Vinnerd's Garage.  An old plastic kit that has been altered slightly.  It is in need of a new nameboard.   To the right is Anne's Cafe.  Must be good food there as a queue is forming.   The obligatory  red post box and telephone box.

 

 

Not seen from viewing areas.   The rear of Anne's cafe.   The building is made up of 'odds and ends' from the plastics box.   Things are not perfect in life.   The broken guttering was not deliberate, but it has been like that for over four years.

 

 

Another view not seen from the viewing areas.    Wyndham Farm and 'Clarice' the canal boat.   Dawn saw the building of Wyndham Farm in our local Model Store.   It reminded her so much of the real Wyndham Farm in Cumbria,  her family owned.  I wanted a canal boat.  Seeing  'Clarice'  was a must buy.

In the picture is horses, hares, badger, and 'Suki' the cat.  Suki is on the fence.  Her black and white kitten is near the railway line.  He is difficult to see.  I shall have to move him.

 

 

More to follow.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, June 30, 2021 9:12 AM

The running of steam  trains  (when the grandchildren are not here.  I have five now all wanting to run trains.  Three boys and two girls.)   set in the timeframe is more relaxed.  I run what I like when I like.   

Freight to Barnbow and Blackburn's.   

Companies at Sovereign Street to supply  --

T&J Harrison,  Small Arms & Ammunition

Fairbairn Lawson,  Ammunition

Town Tailors,   Military Uniforms

Smith & Butler's,  Printing Literature

Hudson Ward,   Flour Millers

Hey & Humphreys,   Bottlers of Ale

 

The coal trains

Troop Trains

Other Freight Trains

 

Then we have the local passenger trains.

Getting staff  (mainly women) to work on time.  Getting the return journey home.

 

When I have the 'crew' here and they want to 'get serious',  then we also run trains to Clarence Dock.

 

So there it is.  Two Railroads  in the same place on one layout set some 55 years apart.   Both are great fun to operate.  It has taken just over five years  to build. Family (mainly the womenfolk)  buy me things that have to be added.   So i guess the layout will not be finished.  Big Smile 

The grandchildren  and I shall continue to have fun.  At least Dawn knows where we are.  Laugh

 

A freight train passing Leeds Sovereign Street Station.  It originally started its journey in the land of the North British Railway and is going to Leeds LNWR Goods Yard.  It wil be remarshalled and sent South.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, June 30, 2021 4:35 AM

The above post explains (hopefully) how the operation of diesel trains and locomotives are run.

How did the running of little steam locomotives come about?   My grandsons' (then 4&5 year old)   wanted to run trains.  I had a small number of little 0.4.0 locomotives collected in a job lot purchase.   A few small four-wheeled wagons and all was well.   The rolling stock was easy to handle and the granchildren could 'join in'.

I also enjoyed the sessions with anything goes.  So much so I began planning how to run the steam locomotives when the grandchildren were not here. 

When I lived in Leeds  was told by my teachers about how the City was a 'large  war manufacturing  machine'  during the Second World War.  I began to wonder what did Leeds do during the Great War.  

The building of The National Filling Number 1  Factory at Barnbow.

Blackburn' Aircraft Factory near Oakwood.

Kirkstall Forge  &   Leeds Forge   Factories.

Fairbairn Lawson's   and many other Companies switched to making Arms and Ammunition.

A timetable of 1914 to 1919 was settled on.

 

More to follow.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, June 29, 2021 11:47 AM

 

When running diesel locomotives in 1970  the lines have become secondary  and the trains seen are mainly 'local ones'.   Diesel Multiple Units (DMUs)  run  from Leeds Central north to Wetherby four times a day (and return), and south to  Dewsbury Market Place and Wakefield Kirkgate (both three times daily (and return)).   A Class 121  (Single Diesel Unit.)  runs from Leeds Central to Seacroft and return every two hours

A diesel locomotive and two carriages travels from Leeds Central to ROF Barnbow and return to connect with starting/finishing times at the factory.  (Three journies.)

A locomotive with two carriages travel from York to Leeds and return  twice a day.

A similar service is operated from Castleford (South of Leeds)  to Leeds Central twice a day.

The main operation on the layout is locomotives arriving on the Main Lines from all regions,  Refueling at Crown Point Yard.  Locomotives required  (details  taken from  1967 timetable)

The following  ----  thruout the day.

Six to London  Kings Cross -     Six return

Nine from Liverpool or Manchester  --   Nine return

Nine to Newcastle   -    Nine return

One Thames/Clyde  London  St Pancras to Leeds  -  One return

One Thames/Clyde  Leeds to Glasgow   -  One return

One Thames/Forth  London St Pancras to Leeds  -  One return

One Thames/Forth  Leeds to Edinburgh  -  One return

One Leeds to Plymouth   -  One return   (Devonian)

One Leeds to Cardiff   -   One return      

One Leeds to Edinburgh  -  One return  (North Briton)

Plus   Six locomotives from Stourton Freightliner Yard  and six locomotives from Balm Road Quarry Sidings   to refuel

 

Then there are Steam Specials  and diverted traffic when I feel like it.

 

A small layout with a lot going on.  Big Smile

 

A view from the control area.

A Castleford to Leeds Central two carriage train, Class 47  47487 in charge  passing Marston's Yard.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, June 29, 2021 6:56 AM

Now I had the plan of the layout  and had included all I wanted in it,  how it all comes together in operation?

Here in the UK we have what is called fiddle yards.  Basically they mean the rest of the rail network not modeled.   Here rolling stock can be lifted off the track and other stock put in its place.

Looking at the plan the bridge is the fiddleyard.   

Trains leaving Sovereign Street on to the bridge are going to either Leeds New/Central Station for passengers  or LNWR Goods Yard for goods traffic.

At the other end of Sovereign Street Station, trains taking the right turnout and passing Crown Point Yard are going to Dewsbury or south towards London.  Mention of locomotives to Stourton Freightliner Depot  or Balm Road Quarry Sidings;  both places although not far away in reality are found in the fiddle yard.

Taking the left turnout past Roseville Station those trains are going to Wetherby or Seacroft/Barnbow  northbound to Newcastle or Edinburgh.

It can be seen that both north and south lines join just after Marston's Scrap Yard  then go to the bridge.   That section brings a little variety as trains may have to wait for clearance whilst another train is in the section.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, June 28, 2021 10:14 AM

For some reason I was unable to post anything until now.

 

Thank you LSM  for your comments.  Not so long ago I looked to see if I could improve the track plan in any way on a paper exercise.   Whatever I did I came up with the same one;  no matter where I put Sovereign Street etc.   

 

Mark.  Thank you also for your comments.  Having the backstory  and staying true to it,  gives the lines  credibility etc.  and can stand the test of time  (imo).

 

Next I shall explain how the working of trains are done.

 

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Posted by Pruitt on Sunday, June 27, 2021 9:56 AM

Nice explanation of the layout's backstory, David. Thanks!

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, June 27, 2021 7:23 AM

The Building of Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock

List of what had to be on the layout before a piece of track was to be layed

A)   Able to be operated by one person.   I would be the sole operator when others are not there

B)   Fun to operate  when the grandchildren visit.  They would be able to run what they like (within reason.   I have special items that I run.)

C)  If they break anything  do not get upset.  'Do not get upset over small stuff'.  A funny rule that, as it is only me that has broken things. Whistling

 

What must be included on the layout.

 

I have many interests other than railroads  and they have to be included.

1)  A Dock.   I love ships and shipping and really is my main interest.  The City of Leeds is a long way from the coast,  so Clarence Dock is the next best thing.

2)  A Canal.   A quiet canal scene for 'Clarice' the canal boat.  (I am a member of Boat & Canals  in the UK.)

3)  An Industrial Park.   I have a small number of industrial Units  for my road transport vehicles.   I have been heavily involved and been around road transport for over 65 years.

4)  Farms.   Dawn's family are farmers in Cumbria and Northumberland.

5)  A Scrap Yard.    Pictures of scrap yards  fascinate me.  Unkempt, filthy and messy.  Yet everything has a place.

6)  A Street Scene.   Little cameos of street life that have nothing to do with railroads.

 

The Railroad Scenes

a)  Steam & Diesel.  Able to run Steam and Diesel locomotives in different timeframes

b)  A Locomotive Depot/Shed.   I have a large number of locomotives (I like) mostly from an old layout.  

c)  Scenes Typical of Leeds.  I wanted to have the feel of 'being in Leeds'.

d)  Buildings & Rolling Stock the Grandchildren Could Identify With.   As it says.  The grandchildren like to see their trucks going round the layout and arriving/departing their buildings.

e)    A Realistic Timetable.   Locomotives and trains all having a reason to be where they are on the layout when I am the operator.

 

There we are.  A simple set of rules  that are  adhered to.

 

To put that together in a room 11ft by 8ft a lot of compression was required.

Looking back through the original building of the lines by the Calder Railway, Leeds Scarcroft & Wetherby Railway  and Kirkstall & East Seacroft Railway  Leeds Sovereign Street Station is a must.

Crown Point Locomotive Yard has to be included.   As must Clarence Dock.

 

Plan of the layout.

A - Timber Yard

B, C & D Farms

E - Signal Box to Clarence Dock

F,G,H,J,K   -  Industrial Units

1,2,3,4,5 & 6  -  Business buildings at Sovereign Street.

 

More to follow

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, June 26, 2021 7:23 AM

The line from Leeds Sovereign Street Station to Wetherby.

I did try to find a  map of the route of the line, but not successful.

Therefore the route in words.

 

As mentioned previously the aim of the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway  (L&Y) and Great Northern Railway (GNR)  was to have a route to York.   With the advent of The Light Railways Act 1896  the two Companies financed the building of the line - first to Wetherby  with plans to build to York.

A new Company , The Leeds, Scarcroft & Wetherby Railway was formed.

The line would leave Leeds Sovereign Street Station and head north.   Stations were to be built at the (then)  little villages of Oakwood,  Shadwell,   Scarcroft,  Bardsey West,  East Keswick,  Linton arriving at Wetherby.  A distance of 13.8 miles.

A boost to the line was the opening of Blackburn's Aircraft Factory.  Blackburn Aircraft was founded by Robert Blackburn and Jessy Blackburn, who built his first aircraft in Leeds in 1908 with the company's Olympia Works at Roundhay opening in 1914.   Olympia Works was just before arriving at Oakwood.

On building  of the line it was felt neccessary to open another station at Roseville Road.

The plans to extend to York was put on hold as it was feared war was imminent   and as it turned out the extension was not built.

Kirkstall & East Seacroft Railway (K&ESR)

The L&Y became aware of the building of a new factory near Seacroft (6.1 miles from Sovereign Street.)

A rail line was built from the LS&WR line just before the Aircraft Factory site, at (what became)  Harehills Junction and headed towards Seacroft & Barnbow. (The site of the new factory.)   The L&Y already had a line running past Leeds Foundry and Kirkstall Foundry.   The K&ESR  was born. 

Although the lines were built via the Light Railways Act, they were built to main line standards;  yet run with 'little locomotives'.    

That is the history of the line.   Next will be about the section of model layout actually built.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, June 25, 2021 9:23 AM

Hi LSM.

Thank you for your kind comments.  They are much appreciated.

The Light Railways Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Railways_Act_1896

 

The line to Leeds Sovereign Street was built to main line standards, but ran with the use of 0.4.0 and 0.6.0   like a light railway.    The same with the Leeds, Scarcroft & Wetherby Railway (LS&WR)  (which I will deal with later.).

In 1922 the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway  amalgamated with the London & North Western Railway (LNWR).

They in turn became part of the London Midland & Scottish Railway (LMSR) in 1923

The line to Leeds Sovereign Street became a secondary route  remaining open as already mentioned.   Staying open well into the diesel era.  Big Smile

Thereby depending how I feel,  I can run 'old'  little steam engines  1914/1919 style.

Run diesels 1970s time.

When the grandchildren are here,  they run whatever. Laugh

Sovereign Street can be operated  on its own.

Clarence Dock  likewise.

Crown Point Yard  as a separate  identity.

All with a time and reason and still correct (to a point).  Smile

 

I have in essence five individual layouts in one.  All run properly and to a timetable.   No chance of being bored of the same old thing.  Cool

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, June 25, 2021 3:38 AM

Although the line built from Dewsbury was mainly single track with passing places, the main things that helped towards keeping the line opened was the following.  ---

Access to collieries near the  line.

A secondary route south to London; joining the main line at Lofthouse & Outwood Station.  Trains could be diverted if any engineering work took place on the Main Line between Leeds Central and Lofthouse.

Later in the diesel era Stourton became a large container dispatch center.

Also Balm Road Quarry Sidings (near Stourton)  was built.

Locomotives at both sites would refuel at Crown Point Yard.

Crown Point Yard was also the refueling point for locomotves arriving at Leeds Central.   There was a steady stream of locomotives to and from the Yard thruout the day.   (Great variety  on the layout.)

Clarence Dock,  Leeds.   The Calder Railway built a short line to the dock,  thereby giving access to the  Leeds & Liverpool Canal, warehouses and businesses in the area.  A small goods yard was also built.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, June 24, 2021 12:03 PM

When i first started posting pictures of Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock  it was just going to be a few pictures  that I thought might give ideas for any readers.  

Now to my surprise I find the layout has had neary 18,000 views  and I thank you.

Perhaps I should now give the reasons on how the rail lines evolved.

The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway  (L&Y) and Great Northern Railway (GNR)  wanted their own line to York  so they did not have to pay the MR & NER  to run trains on their metals.  The Midland Railway (MR)  and North Eastern Railway  (NER)  blocked any proposals (in Parliament)  for  any lines the  L&Y & GNR  put forward.

The Light Railways Act of 1896 - The 1896 Act defined a class of railways which did not require specific legislation to construct – companies could simply plan a line under the auspices of the new Act, and, having obtained a light railway order, build and operate it. By reducing the legal costs and allowing new railways to be built quickly the government hoped to encourage companies to build the new 'light railways' in areas of low population and industry that were previously of little interest to them.

The L&Y took advantage of this Act  by setting up The Calder Railway Company  (CR)  and with the help of the Great Northern Railway (GNR) a line was built.

First  two curves were introduced on  the Headfield  Branch  allowing CR  trains  to travel from Dewsbury Market Place to the Dewsbury Loop Line.

 

 

The CR purchased  the small railways  East & West Yorkshire Joint Railway  (E&WYJR)  and  South Leeds Junction Railway (SLJR)

 

A light Railway was built from Earlsheaton  (23 on map)  to Lofthouse & Outwood Station,  giving access to collieries in the area.

 

Under the banner of the Calder Railway the L&Y and GNR had a line to Stourton.  A line was then built from Stourton to Leeds Sovereign Street with a small  goods yard at Crown Point.  The local Politicians were becoming aware of 'too many' stations in Leeds so 'ordered' the CR to extend their line to Leeds New  (later Leeds Central).

 

A further instalment later on how the L& Y arrived at Wetherby on their way to York.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, June 21, 2021 8:43 AM

I did a locomotive exchange with a colleague on a UK Forum.  He sent me some clockwork locomotives.   My intention is to have a small garden layout.

It is raining, so I have had a daft half hour of nonsense in the train room running the clockwork locomotives.  Just having fun.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, June 20, 2021 6:57 AM

Lastspikemike

Those coaches take me back. For some reason the colours always made me think of Cadbury's white chocolate bars.

Grandchildren remind us of such important things in life.

 

 
 
Cadbury's white chocolate bars?  Laugh    I thought 'blood and custard'  an awful name.   Apt perhaps, but awful.
 
Yes, when the grandchildren come I just let them run things their way.   I only showed a small number of Superheroes my grandson has.  What with 'Transformers' as well there was over 60 models all over the place.
 
I let the grandchildren run trains their way.   Keeping it fun.  It is the younger granddaughter who is the most serious,  albeit running the Class 55s  'flat out'.
 
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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, June 19, 2021 5:40 AM

The oldest grandson is here.   'Things take a turn to another planet'.   Laugh

Turn away from any timetable or whatever.  Let the Superheroes rule!!!

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, June 19, 2021 5:33 AM

In the box from a family member was a beat-up crane.

 With some repairs and alterations I made it into a representation of a steam crane of 1896.   Just what I wanted for Clarence Dock  part of the layout.

 

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, June 13, 2021 4:57 AM

Lastspikemike

Serendipity. Lovely discovery.

Old stuff can be very appealing.

 

 
Thanks Lsm.   I am really pleased with the 'find'. 
 
 
The 'blood and custard'  carriages  found in the box.   In immaculate condition.
 
 
 
 
 
In the box there was, also,  a 'Searchlight Wagon'    (from a Hornby BattleZone set.)  I already had a Searchlight Wagon and Rocket Launcher from a previous purchase.   The grandsons' love running them  with  Marvel Adventure Figures on them.
The searchlights do not work, but hey it does not stop the enjoyment.
 
Here are the wagons on the layout.   Although they are 'huge' they travel the layout without any problem.
 
 
 
 
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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, June 12, 2021 5:33 AM

A family member is having a 'clear out'  and came across his old model railway packed in a large box.  He is no longer interested in MR so asked me if I wanted the items.

The box duly arrived and I have been looking thru what there is.  A lot is not wrth saving  -  old rusty track and the like.  In fact most of the carriages and trucks were pretty 'beat up';   candidates for the scrap yard.

A small number of incidental items I know I can 'do up'  and put on the layout.

Then at the bottom, like  finding needles in a haystack, wrapped in paper,  three beautiful carriages in 'blood and custard' color.  They were not in boxes, but they look brand new.    A picture will follow later.

Yes, most of the items went in the trash, but well worth the search thru.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, June 10, 2021 11:48 AM

Lastspikemike

Or, you could just buy just one more modern locomotive to match the era of the Challenger tanks..... 

 

 
 
With over 50  locomotives it takes a lot  to run them already without adding any more.  No  Laugh
 
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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 10:16 AM

Lastspikemike

 

 
 

 

 

And modellers license to move 1980's tanks out of Barnbow?

The Chieftain goes back to the mid '60's and looks fairly similar to a Challenger, to your average  1/87 back garden observer.

 

That's what I get for liking the Challenger tank.  15 years too late.   Embarrassed  

 

Therefore they will have to be Chieftain Tanks. Thumbs Up   No harm done.   At least it is the right era.  Smile

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, June 9, 2021 4:39 AM

The rail track has had a good clean.   

The Kirkstall & East Seacroft Railway Company has spent a few pounds on buying a second hand coach.   A five compartment All 3rd.  (They do not buy new.)   Here it is at Roseville Station.   The coach is from the European company Piko  and has been Anglicised.

 

 

A train of the four new six-wheeled carriages on their way to Leeds Central.

 

 

Some scenery to 'spring clean'  and redo to brighten things up again.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, June 7, 2021 10:41 AM

First coat of paint on the 'Challenger' tanks.  Compare to the above.

Matt Summers watches as they pass.

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, June 6, 2021 2:36 PM

Just been looking at some old film of tanks leaving ROF Barnbow.  They left on tank transporters and went by road to their destination.

Therefore it is a case of modellers license for tanks to travel by rail.

A bit more research to see if there is any more information I may need.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, June 6, 2021 10:56 AM

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I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the tank.

 

 
 
So am I,  Mark.  Laugh    The real Challenger tanks had armour plating 'skirts' on the side,  so I am attaching some  (thin card).   A repaint to knock the plastic look off.  Then find out how they left ROF Barnbow.
 
I knew that tanks were being built there  since 1936.  When I lived near the factory I never saw a tank leave,  so did not know how they did.
 
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Posted by Pruitt on Sunday, June 6, 2021 9:59 AM

I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the tank.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, June 6, 2021 6:29 AM

For a long time I have been searching models of Challenger Tanks that were built at The Royal Ordnance Factory (ROF)  Barnbow.  My local model store owner told me he had something similar.  Two 'Battlezone' Tanks on Lomacs.  'Battlezone' is a kids train set.    A  purchase was made as they looked like  (near enough)  Challenger Tanks.

As received.

 

 

Now to find out what the real ones looked like on leaving the ROF.   What color?  Were they covered over etc.?

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM

Now (I think)  I have enough carriages to operate real services on the layout.  It is not about running any carriage any way.

Former Calder Railway and Leeds, Scarcroft & Wetherby (now Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway) carriages operate most services.  The London & North Western Railway and North British Railway carriages operate on the thru services.

The Baggage Brake Vans  (I will have two)  will be on the rear of the little four wheeled coaches.  True to prototype.

 

David

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, June 3, 2021 2:29 PM

I have new rolling stock  for when I run my 1914/1919  steam railway.

A six wheeled Brake/Third (Class)  clerestory coach in Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway livery.

 

 

A L & Y  Baggage Brake Van.  Which travels at the end of a rake of coaches.  I have to apply L & Y lettering.

 

Two London & North Western Railway coaches.  A six wheeled all first class four compartment coach.    A three compartment 1st/3rd (Class)  four wheeled coach.

 

 

Note the different heights of the coaches,  typical of the time.

 

David

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, May 28, 2021 1:34 PM

hon30critter

Hi David,

Those are nice carriages!

Does the middle axle float to get around tight curves?

Dave

 

 
 
Yes, Dave.   Not that the curves on my layout are tight. Smile
 
I am glad to get a couple of North British Railway carriages that are true to my layout area.
 
 
David

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, May 28, 2021 12:18 PM

Hi David,

Those are nice carriages!

Does the middle axle float to get around tight curves?

Dave

I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!

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